I think that's what I have been saying.
No 'originating, no creating', but unique Perspectives of the One Truth.
Is it our responsibility as beings that can have perspectives , or simply as perspectives, to seek truth and evaluate approximations to truth on behalf of the huge mass of stuff that has no perspectives?I think that's what I have been saying.
No 'originating, no creating', but unique Perspectives of the One Truth.
All that we experience/Know is "on behalf of" Self Knowledge!Belindi wrote: ↑March 29th, 2018, 7:03 am Nameless wrote:
Is it our responsibility as beings that can have perspectives , or simply as perspectives, to seek truth and evaluate approximations to truth on behalf of the huge mass of stuff that has no perspectives?I think that's what I have been saying.
No 'originating, no creating', but unique Perspectives of the One Truth.
The problem with the vanity of assigning personal (not talking 'legal) 'responsibility' for doing as one does, is our vain propensity to also judge and punish 'others'. Torture, spankings, prison, etc...One thing that I like about the Biblical religions is that they urge us to take responsibility.
Yes, it's insanity to punish someone for blowing up a building or polluting a riverway. Afterall, where would we be without crime?Namelesss wrote: ↑March 29th, 2018, 9:01 pm The problem with the vanity of assigning personal (not talking 'legal) 'responsibility' for doing as one does, is our vain propensity to also judge and punish 'others'. Torture, spankings, prison, etc...
Insanity!
In "... seek(-ing) truth and evaluate(-ing) approximations to truth", We find that Reality/Truth is ALL inclusive!
One! *__-
In your reality, what is 'healing'? Certainly it cannot give you the egoic jolt that vain Prideful judgment of others, and harming them can, eh?jerlands wrote: ↑March 29th, 2018, 9:14 pmYes, it's insanity to punish someone for blowing up a building or polluting a riverway.Namelesss wrote: ↑March 29th, 2018, 9:01 pm The problem with the vanity of assigning personal (not talking 'legal) 'responsibility' for doing as one does, is our vain propensity to also judge and punish 'others'. Torture, spankings, prison, etc...
Insanity!
In "... seek(-ing) truth and evaluate(-ing) approximations to truth", We find that Reality/Truth is ALL inclusive!
One! *__-
After all, where would we be without your incessant sarcasm?Afterall, where would we be without crime?
In my reality to heal is to make whole.
If only it were so simple and the other didn't exist.Namelesss wrote: ↑March 29th, 2018, 10:14 pmAfter all, where would we be without your incessant sarcasm?Afterall, where would we be without crime?
After all where would we be without your self-validating egoic judgment, Pride/Vanity?
After all, where would we be without your insanity of,punishment?
We don't know because we have been that insane for 300,000 years!
If 'punishment/torture' produced the desired results, we'd be a Utopia by now!
Hell is full of good meanings, but heaven is full of good works.
If oyu are thinking of "the Universe" in terms of points then there are points of existence that can't have conscious perspectives. It's conscious perspectives that separate points of existence from each other; bits of rock put through a machine to make hard core don't know that they are separable bits of hard core.(Belindi)All that we experience/Know is "on behalf of" Self Knowledge!Is it our responsibility as beings that can have perspectives , or simply as perspectives, to seek truth and evaluate approximations to truth on behalf of the huge mass of stuff that has no perspectives?
There is no point in the Universe, ever, that is not 'occupied' by a unique Conscious Perspective (Soul)!
That is how "all is Known", how We are Omniscient! Omnipresent, etc...
The problem with the vanity of assigning personal (not talking 'legal) 'responsibility' for doing as one does, is our vain propensity to also judge and punish 'others'. Torture, spankings, prison, etc...One thing that I like about the Biblical religions is that they urge us to take responsibility.
Belindi wrote: ↑March 30th, 2018, 7:03 am Nameless wrote:If oyu are thinking of "the Universe" in terms of points then there are points of existence that can't have conscious perspectives.(Belindi)
All that we experience/Know is "on behalf of" Self Knowledge!
There is no point in the Universe, ever, that is not 'occupied' by a unique Conscious Perspective (Soul)!
That is how "all is Known", how We are Omniscient! Omnipresent, etc...
'Causality/creation' is not possible.It is a problem . However to take the most possible responsibility is to investigate causes of someone else's behaviour and apply as much of extenuating circumstances as one can find. At the end of that process is of course the all-knowing God who cannot be punitive because he is all-knowing.The problem with the vanity of assigning personal (not talking 'legal) 'responsibility' for doing as one does, is our vain propensity to also judge and punish 'others'. Torture, spankings, prison, etc...
Insanity!
In "... seek(-ing) truth and evaluate(-ing) approximations to truth", We find that Reality/Truth is ALL inclusive!
One! *__-
Does this apply also to universes where there is no living thing?The entire Universe is Consciousness, so anywhere you might go, there is Consciousness.
Every point (every Planck volume, every 'Soul') is non-distant from the one beside it, and yet is a unique Perspective.
There is no empty space, no complete vacuum...
Long ago, even classical physics admitted that there was no place that they could find where one thing left off and another began!
Yes, they are all fuzzy boundaries, but not all boundaries are equally fuzzy - from the edges of clouds to the edge of a durable metal bar. For many things the fuzziness is only apparent from under a microscope.
(T)Here is only One unchanging, ALL inclusive Universe.Belindi wrote: ↑March 30th, 2018, 5:46 pm Nameless wrote:Does this apply also to universes where there is no living thing?The entire Universe is Consciousness, so anywhere you might go, there is Consciousness.
Every point (every Planck volume, every 'Soul') is non-distant from the one beside it, and yet is a unique Perspective.
There is no empty space, no complete vacuum...
Long ago, even classical physics admitted that there was no place that they could find where one thing left off and another began!
It's 'thought/ego' that is the duality that gives the appearance of 'different things'.It's conscious perspectives that separate points of existence from each other
Then you have no 'belief' in 'free-will/choice'?Regarding the second part of your reply, I don't follow you. About so-called 'Free Will' I don't believe that I could have selected otherwise than I did.
It has been said that 'hope' springs eternal, but Wisdom says;Nonetheless I feel remorse when bad choices were mine and nobody else's, and I hope to learn to do better .
Perspectives pertain to living entities that have nervous systems.'Life' is not required for a Perspective.
I understand. But you and I are different subjects of experience for the simple reason that nervous systems are contained within the skins of the animals that have nervous systems. True, most people are egos and perceive according to ego. If this were not so there could be no evolution of species, and ontically no change. This is a relative world of change. We don't inhabit a non-dual world, and people who fully believe that we do inhabit a non-dual world have to be supported by ego people typically for religious reasons.It's 'thought/ego' that is the duality that gives the appearance of 'different things'.It's conscious perspectives that separate points of existence from each other
Like holding a grid before one's face and imagining that each square is a different thing than the next.
It isn't.
It might be easier to perceive the delicate bits of Reality, to 'classify' them... but it's just a tool.
That's true about remorse being a selfish response. Remorse that sticks at breast-beating never benefited man or beast. And also true that remorse is the mirror image of blame.What is the point of feeling remorse over that of which we have no control whatsoever?
I take that back, remorse can be a very bittersweet feeling, superiority of the ego...
"Not only do I judge others, I judge myself!"
No, they don't.
I understand. But you and I are different subjects of experience for the simple reason that nervous systems are contained within the skins of the animals that have nervous systems.It's 'thought/ego' that is the duality that gives the appearance of 'different things'.
Like holding a grid before one's face and imagining that each square is a different thing than the next.
It isn't.
It might be easier to perceive the delicate bits of Reality, to 'classify' them... but it's just a tool.
This is a relative world of change.
We don't inhabit a non-dual world,
and people who fully believe that we do
If there were such thing as 'free-will/choice', I'd tend to agree with you.I'd answer your question "what's the point of remorse?" by calling remorse a useful feeling that highlights one's defects so one can change .Remorse can motivate. If no remorse, ineffective motivation to do better.
Doubtful!To shoe-horn in The Bible; I bet Jesus had wise worlds about remorse and what to do about it.
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