There is a hierarchy of root causes.Fanman wrote: ↑February 25th, 2018, 7:46 am Spectrum:
If by “proximate root cause” you mean one of the main reasons then I agree. If you mean the root cause then I disagree. There are many factors to consider, such that isolating the root cause could just be an arbitrary speculation. I think that you underestimate and perhaps falsely categorise “the majority”. You seem to think that because majority don't share your insights, that they don't perceive things in the correct way. I don't think you can justify that viewpoint, because you're claiming that the majority don't understand, because they don't see things in the same way as you do. There can be many different views and perspectives without there being a prevailing one.Now at least we have identified the proximate root cause of the problem.
A major problem at present is the majority have not understood and accept the immutable Quran is the proximate root cause of the problem of Islamic-related evils.
There is the ultimate root cause [a set], the proximate, and other secondary root causes, then there is the superficial causes..
The ultimate root cause - a set - [e.g. the existential crisis] is deeper than the proximate root cause [ the ideology of Islam].
One can test [theoretically] the impact of the proximate root cause [Islam] in this case.
Example, if we remove the Quran and thus Islam, there will be ZERO Quran-Islamic inspired evil acts and violence.
Of course in practice it is very complicated and complex, the task is how to convert this theory into practice without any side effects.
Note this;
- ISIS reveal 6 reasons why they despise Westerners
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... ns-8533563
Read the above carefully and remember is strongly!1. Because you are disbelievers
"We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices."
It reads: "What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred,
this particular reason for hating you is secondary, hence the reason we addressed it at the end of the above list.
"The fact is,
even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam."
Note the above is from the horses' mouth as reflecting what is true as per the words of Allah in the Quran. I confirm what these jihadists claim are true as expressed in the Quran.
What the 'true' Muslims insist in the above is, foreign policy and other reasons are SECONDARY. The PRIMARY reason is ideological as reflected in the core ethos of the religion.
Despite the above, the majority of Muslims and non-Muslims are insisting foreign policy, poverty, etc. are the main reason for the terrible evil acts of SOME Muslims. This is pure denial of the truth. The majority are WRONG.
What I am stating is the truth. Prove to me I am wrong on this.
Whatever your views, the default of effective problem solving is one must trace the ultimate and proximate root cause then put resources to focus on them.
As I had stated many times.Don't take this personally, but you can't expect me to take this seriously. Even if your ideas could be verified as being 100% right, absolutely perfect ( ) you aren't going to affect the kind of change that you envision - some people's beliefs are rooted deeper than empirical evidence can reach. Your arguments have even been rejected by atheists, be realistic dude.Thus our main task is to communicate this fact to the masses.
In addition, I have proposed many other strategies to counter the leverage of religions.
Note my OP, God is an Impossibility, The Idea of God is Psychological, etc.
Once this fact is accepted by the masses, the religion of Islam will be slowly defanged and many Muslims will leave the religion or convert to alternative religion.
I believe if we strive hard, we will be able to defang Islam progressively.
My optimism is based on existing trends of positive progress leveraged on the existing trend of the exponential expansion of knowledge and technology.
I understand the results are not expected in the immediate future, but in a later future say within 50 years if not 75 or 100.
What is notable is the completion of the Humane Genome Project and there is already great progress in the Human Connectome Project to map the connections within the whole human brain.
Note I am optimistic because I keep track of these advancing trends.
Yes, there are differences between religion and slavery, but there are similarities as well.There's difference between religion and slavery. Arguably slavery still exists in different forms. One of the main aspects of religion is belief in God. So for that aspect of religion to end there must be substantive proof that God doesn't exist. And even in the face of such proof, there's no guarantee that some people will not hold onto their beliefs. Also, bear in mind that some people believe that there are proofs of God's existence, how would you convince them otherwise? There are many other reasons why I think that religion will not end, and I'm sure that others can put forward their own ideas.Note the strategies I proposed above.
Once we have convinced a critical mass, the grip by the religion will loosen up.
As I had mentioned often, 200 years ago, no one could have predicted the end of "chattel slavery" by legal laws in all Nations in the world. But it happened.
Note I mentioned there is the ultimate [a set] and proximate root causes.
In this case we are digging deeper into the ultimate root cause re the existential crisis and much deeper. Thence we will be able to loosen the crutch the majority have on religion to deal with the inherent unavoidable DNA based existential crisis.
Why I am so optimistic is, at present there are already existing non-theistic approaches put into practice, e.g. Buddhism and others, dealing quite effectively with the same existential crisis, albeit in a black-box approach.
So with the arrival of the more advanced knowledge we will be able to penetrate into the black box and resolve the inherent unavoidable existential crisis very effectively on a specific targeted basis.
Prove and show to me the authorities are using the effective methods of dealing directly with the ideology of Islam.You're pointlessly bashing here... How do you know what the authorities are and are not doing? Are you privy to that information? Do you expect the authorities to confront the Ideology of Islam? In the interests of political relationships, the authorities respect people's rights to belief.It is so common, the authorities are always proclaiming to the World, "Islam is a Religion of Peace" whenever there is a terrorist attack.
At other times the authorities are not giving attention find out the real root cause, i.e. the evil elements in the Quran.
Yes, I expect the authorities to confront the ideology of Islam directly but without provocations. It can be done on a basis of facts and truths without shaking the psychological foundations of the very sensitive religious prone people.
Note there are some movements in this directly but only very superficial thus not enough.
Even the most conservative of Islamic Government, i.e. Saudi Arabia is starting to confront the Islamic clergy but allowing women to drive, go out without a man as guardian, open their own business, etc.
It would only be something if and when the authorities acknowledge;
"yes, we admit there is something wrong with the religion itself as per evidence and fact and we need to do something about it."
The quote by Weinberg do not imply religion is the SOLE cause of driving good people to do evil.What bias?
This is a fact.
IMV, it assumes that religion is a special case in causes of evil, and that religion is a special case in causes of corruption. Whilst religion can be a cause of both, it is not the only cause of evil and corruption as the author implies. It is the authors bias to conclude that religion is a special case, not a fact. There are any number of things that can cause good people to do evil by corrupting their sense of ethics - that religion is one of those things does not as a fact, make it a special case.
The implication is an attack on the assumption that religions are by default good and peaceful.
With empirical evidences it is proven SOME religion do inspire good people to do evil.
You are misusing the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy in this case.Therefore any human who doesn't conform to this "moral obligation" isn't a true Scotsman?Yes, it is a moral obligation of ALL humans to respect the basic human dignity of another human being. There is a logical moral argument for it, as otherwise if you don't you are kicking your own ass. This is argued within the Philosophy of Morality. I won't do it here.
I suggest you read up to understand fully on the Philosophy involving the concept of Basic Human Dignity. This is the basis why Jesus went to the extreme of commanding Christians to 'love your enemies' [not blindly and stupidly].
Note the impact from the evil prone Muslims [SOME] is getting very critical thus we should focus on the proximate root cause rather than making noises.I don't think that when people bash they expect to make a difference. There are political ways and means of affecting change.As I had stated, bashing is like crying over spilt milk. The most is for you to vent your anger, frustrations and achieving nothing for humanity.
Yes, change will happened over time, but we need to focus laser-like on the said problem which is very critical.That is a false dichotomy, and it also depends on what you perceive as being "optimal". Change can occur naturally over time, even without outside intervention things can become outdated/anachronistic. You need to have a little faith.You have a choice of two actions, i.e. to bash or to focus on the root causes. Since humans has limited resources, effort and time, it would be more productive [optimal] on prevention to a problem rather than making noises about it.
It would be wiser to redirect your effort to focus in preventive measures.