David Cooper wrote: ↑
May 22nd, 2018, 4:49 pm
Spectrum wrote: ↑
May 22nd, 2018, 12:20 am
I agree with most your points in general but I believe you got it wrong with your views on Islam-proper. Majority of so-called Muslims are actually pseudo-Muslims.
Groups like Al Qa'ida and IS would certainly agree with that - they consider themselves to be amongst the few who are doing Islam by the book, and they're right. Most Muslims don't act on the hateful parts because they find them distasteful, so they just blind themselves to those bits and pretend they aren't there. This leads to problems when any members of a peaceful Muslim population don't close their eyes to the hate and take it upon themselves to act upon it in order to be more seriously religious than the rest, and they are naturally attracted towards the extremist groups who try to do their religion properly rather than just playing at it.
1. The fact [objectively] is that true Islam has an evil ethos driven by loads of evil laden verses.
2. Within a large population, appx 20% of people has an active evil tendency of various degrees.
What is critical and scary [as evident] is the combination of the above two truth is a real thereat to humanity.
Therefore humanity must give attention to the above facts instead of denying fact 1.
Relatively the Quran is WORST than the Mein Kempf in terms of anti-semitism [leading to a real genocide] and hatred against ALL non-Muslims.
Once we have AGI, it will be able to carry out an impartial analysis of all such works and to put numbers upon just how hateful/benign they are, and to map out where that hate is so that everyone can see its distribution, extent and intensity at a glance. I wouldn't trust any human analysis of this as the people doing the same kind of analysis are likely to introduce a bias.
AGI will definitely help but note the cost for such a program.
I use Excel database to do the analysis which will give very reasonable result. I have analyzed all the verses from the Quran into one main theme, 20 main chapters and 1300++ sub themes to highlight why the Quran is fundamentally and inherently evil.
It is so obvious there are evil elements culminating to an evil ethos within the Quran to any average reader. The only excuse is the evil elements are time and context based which not good excuses. The point is the very existence of the Quran and its factual evil laden verses do inspire 'a-critical-SOME' [potential pool of 300 million] Muslims to commit evil acts.
I have spent years researching the Quran and Islam and I have OBJECTIVE evidence the Quran, i.e. the core of Islam is inherent evil against the rest of humanity.
It has a generally sinister feel to it throughout, but so does much of the Bible - that comes automatically from setting up a tyrant as a "God" when it's really a vicious monster that requires people to believe in it and worship it or else!
This "God" idea is really just an extension of all the worst failings of human kings projected into the sky.
I have spent extensive research on evil elements within all religions. Judaism per se has terrible evil verses in their holy texts [thus a potential] but somehow the Jews [appx. 10 million of them] do not commit serious evident evil acts on a large scale [instead they are victims].
The OT is more terrible in terms of evil elements than the Quran but the OT is overriden by the NT's pacfist maxims. The NT has evil elements but very less than the Quran. The Quran has terrible evil elements, 55% of the verses are basically evil laden with the us versus them tribalistic impulse towards evilness. The Bhagavad Gita has evil elements but not significant. Buddhism has no leading evil elements at all. Jainism is fundamentally pacifist to the extent of not killing insects and germs [this is a bit dumb and impractical].
In general, >55% of the 6,236 verses of the Quran are laden with hatred towards non-believers and the killer blows are the direct verses that sanction the killing of non-believers merely because they do not believe in Allah and his messenger.
It's a long time since I read through it, but what I remember most is that it spent a lot of time retelling old stories from the Bible in order to draw upon that authority, and the vast bulk of it was merely boring rather than hostile, but if you've produced a map of all the hateful verses, I'd like to look at it and check that it matches up to the actual Qur'an. 55% seems like a high figure.
I have done my own research to arrive at >55%. These are basically those verses has anti-Muslim 'us versus them' which is the starting point to inspire believers towards evil acts against non-believers.
From my 1,300+ sub-themes there loads of other categories of evil elements directed at non-Muslims within the Quran.
While the Quran exhort Muslims to do good as Muslims [where some supposedly 'good' = evil acts] there are less than 10 verses!! out of the 6,236 that has some indication of positiveness toward non-believers.
Here is a research that arrive at 64% of verses in the Quran are evil laden, i.e. using the derogatory term 'kafir' against non-believers.
This stats is based on points where few verses are combined to represent one point. I merely refer to single verses that contain the 'kafir' reference instead of per points basis.
http://cspipublishing.com/statistical/T ... Kafir.html
Note the supporting details are given in this case.
see the stats here;
http://cspipublishing.com/statistical/c ... _72dpi.jpg
Note 10% of evil laden elements is already very scary, but here we have >50%
Appx 32% of the 6,236 verses relate to the Bible NT and OT.
Note I am not imply ALL Muslims will adhere strictly to the commands of the Quran to kill non-Muslims. The critical and real problem is even if 10% of Muslims obey the words of Allah...
It doesn't even take 10% to cause turmoil. The problem is that the most fanatical ones are always the first to take up arms, and they bully the rest to bring them into line, using the authority of the Qur'an to justify their actions and to condemn those who fail to follow suit. That's why Iraq fell to pieces after it was liberated, and why Afghanistan still hasn't found peace, even though most of the people just want the fighters to go away and leave them alone.
10% is 150 million, but note even 1 Muslim can be very dangerous and it took ONLY 18++ to do a 911.
While the fanatical ones are the obvious what is more critical is the loads of evil within the Quran also subliminal influence the majority of Muslims into some degrees of supporting the evil acts in terms of indirect moral support with their silence or financing thru donations in various channels.
The evil ethos [with a subliminal threat of Hell] will also drive the innocent and even goody-two-shoes to commit evil acts. Many family were shocked to learn their 'well behaved' sons or daughter appear on TV as terrorists.
The problem is the Quran as the perfect words of a perfect God are commanded within the Quran to be immutable, therefore no imperfect humans can change God's words.
But that could just be him testing people to see if they have the balls to stand up to him and refuse to accept his hate. A real God would want people to do this.
Personally I am not viewing it from God's perspective. The moral is any ideology with hate elements should be dealt with accordingly. Note we ban, censor and condemn media that contain evil elements, we should not give religions a free pass with evil elements.
Thus the first thing humanity need to do is to expose the truth of what the Quran really is, i.e. reveal all the evil elements within the Quran. From that basis, humanity should do the right thing to ensure there is no more threat from Islam.
It's one of the big tasks for mankind to take on, but it should never be presented in such a way as to single out Islam without applying the same rules to all other religions and ideologies which propagate hate. If you single one out, you just look biased and will invariably be taken for a hater yourself (usually by people who refuse to read the texts in question and who take it on trust that they don't contain hate [because they're assured of that by so many other people who haven't read them either that they are peaceful and benign]). What's needed to fix this is education. I keep advising people to read the texts in question so that they can speak out of knowledge instead of ignorance, but they invariably refuse to do so. What normally happens is that, because they haven't bothered reading the sources themselves, they assume that no one else has done so either, so if you tell them anything about what's in there, they accuse you of taking out-of-context quotes from hate sites and they simply aren't mentally capable of understanding that you have actually read the entire Bible, Qur'an Bhagavad Gita, etc. and really do know exactly what they say. Perhaps colour-coded hate maps would help, even if they're compiled by humans rather than waiting for AGI to do the job, but they need to be done for all the leading religions and for lots of other important ideologies too in order to show that they are not biased - people need to be able to compare them, and to look up any part that's been coloured to indicate hate so that they can look such parts up randomly to check that the maps are true.
As I have mentioned many times, humanity must addressed ALL evils from all sources. Since this is a Religious and Spiritual Forum, we have to confine ourselves to evil within religions in this case.
I agree we should address all religions in reference to evil elements therein and make it transparent. I have listed the evil laden elements within the major religions and as evident and real threat. In particular I would like to highlight the recent violence by Buddhists has nothing to do with the religion itself but rather it is due to the evil nature within the Buddhist as humans [that 20% of evil prone].
Objectively and evidently, Islam [itself not Muslims] is the worst among all the mainstream religion in relation to the threat of evil to mankind. Therefore we must give serious attention to Islam and not be an ostrich [by apologists and authorities] to the evil acts directly attributed to Islam itself.
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.