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Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 12:02 pm
by ThomasHobbes
Behe might well understand the NT, but such an understanding would necessitate a clear distinction between Christianity and Deism.
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 12:05 pm
by anonymous66
ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 12:00 pm
anonymous66 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 11:55 am
You're going to have to spell it out. What makes you think Behe doesn't understand the New Testament?
I am saying that he cannot claim to be a Christian and a Deist at the same time.
What do you think "Christ"-ian implies? How can a Deity who left the universe to cruise at the beginning of time without further intervention "annoint" a king or "messiah"?
How can an non-interventionist god have created a religion?
Behe is not claiming to be a Christian and a Deist. Behe is a Christian who believes in a God who intervenes.
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 12:11 pm
by ThomasHobbes
anonymous66 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 12:05 pm
Behe is not claiming to be a Christian and a Deist. Behe is a Christian who believes in a God who intervenes.
Then what is the point of evolution?
Since this is a system that requires no intervention?
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 12:15 pm
by anonymous66
ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 12:11 pm
anonymous66 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 12:05 pm
Behe is not claiming to be a Christian and a Deist. Behe is a Christian who believes in a God who intervenes.
Then what is the point of evolution?
Since this is a system that requires no intervention?
As I understand it, Behe suggests that evolution itself requires intervention- because
irreducible complexity.
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 12:25 pm
by ThomasHobbes
anonymous66 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 12:15 pm
ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 12:11 pm
Then what is the point of evolution?
Since this is a system that requires no intervention?
As I understand it, Behe suggests that evolution itself requires intervention- because
irreducible complexity.
I think I've heard enough at Behe.
I always find it puzzling that people waste so much time and effort trying to cling to useless ideas.
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 12:38 pm
by Eduk
I have a small correction to an earlier statement
Michael Behe, a Christian who accepts evolution
Michael Behe, a Christian who does not accept evolution.
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 12:46 pm
by ThomasHobbes
Eduk wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 12:38 pm
I have a small correction to an earlier statement
Michael Behe, a Christian who accepts evolution
Michael Behe, a Christian who does not accept evolution.
Urrummmph!!!
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 12:49 pm
by anonymous66
Eduk wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 12:38 pm
I have a small correction to an earlier statement
Michael Behe, a Christian who accepts evolution
Michael Behe, a Christian who does not accept evolution.
It sure looks to me like he does. He accepts that all life has a common ancestry- that all life evolved from single-celled life that lived billions of years ago.
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 12:52 pm
by Eduk
Let me try to give an example. I believe in the germ theory of disease. I wrap up warm so as not to get a cold.
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 12:54 pm
by ThomasHobbes
Eduk wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 12:52 pm
Let me try to give an example. I believe in the germ theory of disease. I wrap up warm so as not to get a cold.
What do you think this is an example of?
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 12:59 pm
by anonymous66
anonymous66 wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 12:49 pm
Eduk wrote: ↑August 10th, 2018, 12:38 pm
I have a small correction to an earlier statement
Michael Behe, a Christian who does not accept evolution.
It sure looks to me like he does. He accepts that all life has a common ancestry- that all life evolved from single-celled life that lived billions of years ago.
and he accepts that life evolved by means of natural selection.
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 1:00 pm
by Eduk
I don't know really. Always tempted to say stupidity but people are quite surprising and I try not to underestimate (not always successfully). Maybe an example of pedantry. Or trolling. Or general cantankerousness. Who knows really, the end result is the same so I try not to get hung up on such things.
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 1:01 pm
by Eduk
Sorry was answering
What do you think this is an example of?
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 1:04 pm
by ThomasHobbes
WHAT kind of EXAMPLE is this?
10 minutes ago
"Let me try to give an example. I believe in the germ theory of disease. I wrap up warm so as not to get a cold."
Of what, exaclty?
Re: Is Christianity Destined to Become a Form of Deism?
Posted: August 10th, 2018, 2:12 pm
by Eduk
Do you generally find unthinking demands to work out well for you?