God is good and everything He does is good, and our God has created beings like us who have a free will. We can either use His gift to ally ourselves with Him, or we can use it to become His enemies; in other words, we are free to oppose Him and thus create evil. It is true that God could force us to abide by His Moral Law always and to love Him, etc., but then we would be mere automatons and our love meaningless. True goodness and love cannot be born from force.Zein wrote:Either God is not omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent or God does not exist.
A God who created evil does not sound like a compassionate God to me.
Why doesn't god prove himself?
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Nice replies…
I think once man tries to contemplate over God he enters the realm of Agnosticism (except for those who think it is not necessary to think). Then he either leans toward Faith (which is an assumption a "decision to accept" amidst uncertainty - according to replies here) or enters the realm of Atheism (which is another assumption amidst uncertainty).
Man is always surprised by his findings.
Intelligent man needs to handle the major questions and if he cannot come to any plausible personal ideology he seeks assistance from authoritative heritage.
Religious explanations stand outside the scope of proof or disproof. So they provide a peaceful and stable lodging for the unstable mind of human especially if it suffers from mental and physical pains and panic.
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Belinda wrote:YSM, an excellent clear statement of the necessity within the theist myth for Free Will.
Where is your argument for that claim?
You've only responded to me once, but I can already tell that I'm dealing with someone who is conceited and who gets their philosophy education solely from fortune cookies and Wikipedia.
Trouble with it is that you did not write an argument to support your position.
It's quite obvious that I don't believe that our universe is deterministic or completely deterministic; namely our decisions and actions. If you want to read about arguments against Determinism, why there's no conflict between a deterministic universe and free will, why our universe is not entirely deterministic, or even why that whole debate is largely irrelevant, then you should go to your local library and seek it. There's no point in me reiterating (and stealing) the points of real serious philosophers and scientists.
Where is your argument for that claim?You restated the myth of Free Will which is an outstanding example of a myth past its sell-by date.
This is a grand demonstration of just how conceited and ignorant you are. The debate Determinism VS. Indeterminism has been going on for a long time and is still going on. And If anything Determinism is on its way out the door because of science (quantum mechanics). Have you read anything about quantum mechanics, Belinda?
Also, I still don't quite get what your problem is with my reasoning. I believe that there is a God. I believe that His way or side is good and objective for the mere fact that it precedes everything including our own beliefs. I also believe that He ingrained in all of us (even common animals) a moral compass--The Moral Law--which tells us what we should do, or in other words what His side is. I also believe and without doubt see that we can oppose what our hearts (ultimately God) tell us we should do. No matter how childish and pointless the option of opposing God may be, we still have it; that's what I meant by free will. I don't know what you're talking about. I think your argument may be purely based in semantics and at worst pointless.
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god dosen't have the ability to prove itself
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personally I worship chance and probability, that is my god, I have faith in this. however the chance that god exists, I worship this, so in a way I also worship god, whether he is there or not.
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Please excuse my rhetorical and perhaps flippant question. It made me smile.
On a more serious note, the question, "Why doesn't god prove himself?" is meaningless and thus answerable unless the word god is defined. For that reason, I doubt those of you who disagree in your answer to the question will get much of anywhere until you first come to agreement on the question, "What is god?" or "What does the word 'god' mean?"
"The mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master."
I believe spiritual freedom (a.k.a. self-discipline) manifests as bravery, confidence, grace, honesty, love, and inner peace.
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Right now the highest manifestation of God is consciousness, particularly the consciousness that which America upholds: Freedom.
Because only in a system of Freedom (or poverty, particularly India) can the final truth be figured out.
God is proving himself. He attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. He challenged their beliefs. Their culture. God has not attacked India.
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Re: Why doesn't god prove himself?
God does and must prove that he exists since, based on his own Golden Rules, he calls on all humans to prove all things, one of which things would include God's existence.cynicallyinsane wrote:If there is a god, why doesn't he prove that he exists?
Matthew 7:12
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
1 Thessalonians 5:21
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good."
God's best proof of himself is Love since he calls himself Love.
1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Thus, it makes sense that since most people believe in hating this or that, most people would tend to discount Love as proof of God's existence and so would think that God does not prove and is not proving his existence to us.
But in the meantime God still loves himself as all atheists and so loves all atheists as himself.
Matthew 22:36-40
36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37Jesus said unto him,
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38This is the first and great commandment.
39And the second is like unto it,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
By not looking at Love, most people wd conclude that there is no compelling evidence of his existence or that God is giving no compelling evidence of his existence.cynicallyinsane wrote:Why does he leave us without any compelling evidence of his existence?
And God also uses this apparent 'lack of compelling evidence of his existence' for good:
he substitutes any agnostics or atheists or etc for himself as a test to see if theists would love those atheists and so prove that they so really believed in God's existence as Love that they would love those atheists as God and so love God as those atheists.
Matthew 25:
40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
45Then shall he answer them, saying,
Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
1 John 4:
20 If a man say, I love God,
and hateth his brother, he is a liar:
for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
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Re: Why doesn't god prove himself?
First sentence was nice.cynicallyinsane wrote:
If there is a god, why doesn't he prove that he exists?
Why does he leave us without any compelling evidence of his existence?
Second smelled of a bad assumption.
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