Are we all born an Atheist?

Discuss philosophical questions regarding theism (and atheism), and discuss religion as it relates to philosophy. This includes any philosophical discussions that happen to be about god, gods, or a 'higher power' or the belief of them. This also generally includes philosophical topics about organized or ritualistic mysticism or about organized, common or ritualistic beliefs in the existence of supernatural phenomenon.
Post Reply
User avatar
SimpleGuy
Posts: 338
Joined: September 11th, 2017, 12:28 pm

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by SimpleGuy »

That depends on the interpretation of your god and the inner meaning of the "message". Once there is a could be negative interpretation of the message contained people tend to look at god , once they ever experienced a negative reality for their personality ,more and more negative.
User avatar
ThomasHobbes
Posts: 1122
Joined: May 5th, 2018, 5:53 pm

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by ThomasHobbes »

SimpleGuy wrote: June 26th, 2018, 1:56 pm That depends on the interpretation of your god and the inner meaning of the "message". Once there is a could be negative interpretation of the message contained people tend to look at god , once they ever experienced a negative reality for their personality ,more and more negative.
No, I do not think it depends at all. We are born in ignorance, QED we are atheist when born.

One man's negative is another woman's positive. Using negative in the way you do is just question begging.
Steve3007
Posts: 10339
Joined: June 15th, 2011, 5:53 pm

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Steve3007 »

To dyslexic militant atheists "god" is a four letter word.
Dark Matter
Posts: 1366
Joined: August 18th, 2016, 11:29 am
Favorite Philosopher: Paul Tillich

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Dark Matter »

Dark Matter wrote:It’s more a logical assessment of the situation than a value judgement. A cockroach is always a cockroach 100%; only a human can make a conscious choice to be less than what he/she is.
Steve3007 wrote: June 26th, 2018, 5:24 amBut the context seems to imply that it is a value judgement - the judgement that it is morally wrong ("low") to choose not to full-fill one's mental potential.
"More a logical assessment" does not exclude value judgment altogether.
And I don't know why any of these thoughts about the relative abilities and choices of humans and cockroaches would be deemed to be political.
I don't either. You'll have to ask the PC crowd.
Thinking critical wrote: June 26th, 2018, 8:46 am Or perhaps it is simply that some people are more concerned with where humanity is going as opposed to how it all began. Everyday there is an abundance of unnecessary pain and suffering, global food and water shortages, extreme climate changes and acts of terror to a name a few. Many are fortunate in that there are people out their who proactively fight the good fight an put the needs of others before themselves.
What's better for our species: basing decisions on knowing what it is to be human or emoting?
It is possible that allot of people find more value and meaning in life in helping others than in investing a great deal of time pondering questions which since the dawn of civilisation have not been answered.
Helping others without pondering questions like what it is to be human leads to suffering.
If these people are less than cockroaches I would hate to think of your opinion of the rest of us that sit on technology debating topics in order to inflate ones own ego.
That's the point
From the moment that man is no longer content to devise things useful for his existence under the exclusive action of the"will-to-live," the principle of Evolution has been violated. -- Edouard Récéjac
That is to say, humans become more than a clever cockroach the moment he devises things not useful for his existence under the exclusive action of the"will-to-live."
User avatar
Thinking critical
Posts: 1793
Joined: November 7th, 2011, 7:29 pm
Favorite Philosopher: A.C Grayling
Location: Perth, Australia (originally New Zealand)

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Thinking critical »

Dark Matter wrote: June 26th, 2018, 5:22 pm
What's better for our species: basing decisions on knowing what it is to be human or emoting?
Emoting? Your words, not mine. Humans are emotional beings, emotion preceeds reason....this is being Human.
As for what's better for our species, you would need to be more specific and reframe from offering a dichotomy.
Helping others without pondering questions like what it is to be human leads to suffering.
The desire to help others is being human, to ask "what is to be human" infers humans have an innate quality which defines us as humans....so what in your opinion would that be?
That is to say, humans become more than a clever cockroach the moment he devises things not useful for his existence under the exclusive action of the"will-to-live."
If that's what you believe the good for you.
This cocky little cognitive contortionist will straighten you right out
Dark Matter
Posts: 1366
Joined: August 18th, 2016, 11:29 am
Favorite Philosopher: Paul Tillich

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Dark Matter »

Thinking critical wrote: June 27th, 2018, 8:03 am
Dark Matter wrote: June 26th, 2018, 5:22 pm
What's better for our species: basing decisions on knowing what it is to be human or emoting?
Emoting? Your words, not mine. Humans are emotional beings, emotion preceeds reason....this is being Human.
As for what's better for our species, you would need to be more specific and reframe from offering a dichotomy.
Helping others without pondering questions like what it is to be human leads to suffering.
The desire to help others is being human, to ask "what is to be human" infers humans have an innate quality which defines us as humans....so what in your opinion would that be?
That is to say, humans become more than a clever cockroach the moment he devises things not useful for his existence under the exclusive action of the"will-to-live."
If that's what you believe the good for you.
I strongly recommend that you read Paul Tillich's The Courage to Be.
Steve3007
Posts: 10339
Joined: June 15th, 2011, 5:53 pm

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Steve3007 »

It's a funny thing. I reckon butterflies are at roughly the same level of complexity and mental sophistication as cockroaches, but if I said to somebody "you're lower than a butterfly" I bet they'd be less likely to take it in a pejorative sense than if I said "you're lower than a cockroach".
Eduk
Posts: 2466
Joined: December 8th, 2016, 7:08 am
Favorite Philosopher: Socrates

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Eduk »

That's only funny to people who can't see the irony Steve.
Unknown means unknown.
Eduk
Posts: 2466
Joined: December 8th, 2016, 7:08 am
Favorite Philosopher: Socrates

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Eduk »

I mean who can see the irony. Oh the irony.
Unknown means unknown.
Dark Matter
Posts: 1366
Joined: August 18th, 2016, 11:29 am
Favorite Philosopher: Paul Tillich

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Dark Matter »

Ya'll think it was an accident to use that particular word? :wink:
Steve3007
Posts: 10339
Joined: June 15th, 2011, 5:53 pm

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Steve3007 »

Ya'll think it was an accident to use that particular word? :wink:
No. I don't think it was an accident.
User avatar
Felix
Posts: 3117
Joined: February 9th, 2009, 5:45 am

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Felix »

Steve3007: To dyslexic militant atheists "god" is a four letter word.
Steve, according to the Bible, "dyslexic atheist" is redundant. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God" ... but atheists, being metaphysically dyslexic, cannot understand the Word.
"We do not see things as they are; we see things as we are." - Anaïs Nin
User avatar
Thinking critical
Posts: 1793
Joined: November 7th, 2011, 7:29 pm
Favorite Philosopher: A.C Grayling
Location: Perth, Australia (originally New Zealand)

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Thinking critical »

Felix wrote: June 29th, 2018, 5:12 am
Steve3007: To dyslexic militant atheists "god" is a four letter word.
Steve, according to the Bible, "dyslexic atheist" is redundant. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God" ... but atheists, being metaphysically dyslexic, cannot understand the Word.
Reminds me of the dyslexic, agnostic with ansomnia.
He would lay awake all night wandering if there really was a dog.
This cocky little cognitive contortionist will straighten you right out
User avatar
Newme
Posts: 1401
Joined: December 13th, 2011, 1:21 am

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by Newme »

SimpleGuy wrote: June 26th, 2018, 1:56 pm That depends on the interpretation of your god...
Yes, to a baby, their parents are gods.
“Empty is the argument of the philosopher which does not relieve any human suffering.” - Epicurus
User avatar
SimpleGuy
Posts: 338
Joined: September 11th, 2017, 12:28 pm

Re: Are we all born an Atheist?

Post by SimpleGuy »

Newme wrote: July 3rd, 2018, 10:50 pm
SimpleGuy wrote: June 26th, 2018, 1:56 pm That depends on the interpretation of your god...
Yes, to a baby, their parents are gods.
Perhaps this is the only possible definition in terms of psychology(for god) to define it as a psychological dependency to another person with is not in discussion officially.
Post Reply

Return to “Philosophy of Religion, Theism and Mythology”

2023/2024 Philosophy Books of the Month

Entanglement - Quantum and Otherwise

Entanglement - Quantum and Otherwise
by John K Danenbarger
January 2023

Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul

Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul
by Mitzi Perdue
February 2023

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness
by Chet Shupe
March 2023

The Unfakeable Code®

The Unfakeable Code®
by Tony Jeton Selimi
April 2023

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are
by Alan Watts
May 2023

Killing Abel

Killing Abel
by Michael Tieman
June 2023

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead
by E. Alan Fleischauer
July 2023

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough
by Mark Unger
August 2023

Predictably Irrational

Predictably Irrational
by Dan Ariely
September 2023

Artwords

Artwords
by Beatriz M. Robles
November 2023

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope
by Dr. Randy Ross
December 2023

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes
by Ali Master
February 2024

2022 Philosophy Books of the Month

Emotional Intelligence At Work

Emotional Intelligence At Work
by Richard M Contino & Penelope J Holt
January 2022

Free Will, Do You Have It?

Free Will, Do You Have It?
by Albertus Kral
February 2022

My Enemy in Vietnam

My Enemy in Vietnam
by Billy Springer
March 2022

2X2 on the Ark

2X2 on the Ark
by Mary J Giuffra, PhD
April 2022

The Maestro Monologue

The Maestro Monologue
by Rob White
May 2022

What Makes America Great

What Makes America Great
by Bob Dowell
June 2022

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!
by Jerry Durr
July 2022

Living in Color

Living in Color
by Mike Murphy
August 2022 (tentative)

The Not So Great American Novel

The Not So Great American Novel
by James E Doucette
September 2022

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches
by John N. (Jake) Ferris
October 2022

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All
by Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
November 2022

The Smartest Person in the Room: The Root Cause and New Solution for Cybersecurity

The Smartest Person in the Room
by Christian Espinosa
December 2022

2021 Philosophy Books of the Month

The Biblical Clock: The Untold Secrets Linking the Universe and Humanity with God's Plan

The Biblical Clock
by Daniel Friedmann
March 2021

Wilderness Cry: A Scientific and Philosophical Approach to Understanding God and the Universe

Wilderness Cry
by Dr. Hilary L Hunt M.D.
April 2021

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute
by Jeff Meyer
May 2021

Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power

Surviving the Business of Healthcare
by Barbara Galutia Regis M.S. PA-C
June 2021

Winning the War on Cancer: The Epic Journey Towards a Natural Cure

Winning the War on Cancer
by Sylvie Beljanski
July 2021

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream
by Dr Frank L Douglas
August 2021

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts
by Mark L. Wdowiak
September 2021

The Preppers Medical Handbook

The Preppers Medical Handbook
by Dr. William W Forgey M.D.
October 2021

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress: A Practical Guide

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress
by Dr. Gustavo Kinrys, MD
November 2021

Dream For Peace: An Ambassador Memoir

Dream For Peace
by Dr. Ghoulem Berrah
December 2021