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Are we all born an Atheist?
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Not for anything that counts.
Most who are religious claim to be spiritual, and the I'd say the essence of so called spirituality is not what people say it is, nor think it is.
I'm also of the view that amongst those that never use the word spiritual, nor claim that quality of themselves are the closest to being something of the sort; truly spiritual whatever that is.
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Sure, people claim all sorts of things. I find that many comments made by cosmologists, physicists and astronauts to be most spiritually resonant. That's my claim :)ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑September 18th, 2018, 6:29 pmNot for anything that counts.
Most who are religious claim to be spiritual, and the I'd say the essence of so called spirituality is not what people say it is, nor think it is.
I'm also of the view that amongst those that never use the word spiritual, nor claim that quality of themselves are the closest to being something of the sort; truly spiritual whatever that is.
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I would but, like many, I have parsed religion and spirituality for a long time.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑September 19th, 2018, 3:42 amNot who you would normally associate with spiritual people, eh.
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Parsed???Greta wrote: ↑September 19th, 2018, 5:32 amI would but, like many, I have parsed religion and spirituality for a long time.ThomasHobbes wrote: ↑September 19th, 2018, 3:42 am
Not who you would normally associate with spiritual people, eh.
Wot grammatically?
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The Soul as meant by religions generally and by Christianity specifically is incoherent.
A spirited person is one with enthusiasm and joy of life; able to stop and stare at an interesting tree or cloud formation; love a dog with passion and smile a lot.
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Cheeky hobbitses!
parse: verb (used with object), parsed, pars·ing.
1. t̶o̶ ̶a̶n̶a̶l̶y̶z̶e̶ ̶(̶a̶ ̶s̶e̶n̶t̶e̶n̶c̶e̶)̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶e̶r̶m̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶g̶r̶a̶m̶m̶a̶t̶i̶c̶a̶l̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶s̶t̶i̶t̶u̶e̶n̶t̶s̶,̶ ̶i̶d̶e̶n̶t̶i̶f̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶a̶r̶t̶s̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶e̶c̶h̶,̶ ̶s̶y̶n̶t̶a̶c̶t̶i̶c̶ ̶r̶e̶l̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶,̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶.̶
2. t̶o̶ ̶d̶e̶s̶c̶r̶i̶b̶e̶ ̶(̶a̶ ̶w̶o̶r̶d̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶s̶e̶n̶t̶e̶n̶c̶e̶)̶ ̶g̶r̶a̶m̶m̶a̶t̶i̶c̶a̶l̶l̶y̶,̶ ̶i̶d̶e̶n̶t̶i̶f̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶a̶r̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶s̶p̶e̶e̶c̶h̶,̶ ̶i̶n̶f̶l̶e̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶a̶l̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶m̶,̶ ̶s̶y̶n̶t̶a̶c̶t̶i̶c̶ ̶f̶u̶n̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶,̶ ̶e̶t̶c̶.̶
3. to analyze (something, as a speech or behavior) to discover its implications or uncover a deeper meaning: Political columnists were in their glory, parsing the president's speech on the economy in minute detail.
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Re: Are we all born an Atheist?
If you include agnostics as a sub group of atheists then to me you're being lazy or deliberately duplicitous. The idea that an atheist can be someone who doesn't believe in god, definitive statement of negation there is no god, or someone who thinks there may or may not be a god but they don't know, expression of uncertainty, when there is a perfectly good word - agnostic - for the latter group is to me misusing the language. The purpose of using a word is for the recipients to understand what the transmitter means. To deliberately use a word to mean contradictory things seems to me to be heading towards deliberately misinforming the recipient. I suppose you might argue that to a religious person any form of questioning of religion amounts to the same thing, but I'd respond that would be a simplistic mental approach.Eduk wrote: ↑September 17th, 2018, 7:54 am In my experience atheist is too wide a bucket to really narrow down what someone might mean by using the term without asking them for clarity. Perhaps you don't like that words have multiple meanings Mark? But do you at least recognise that this happens? For example you declare Scot's definition to be poor but fail to elaborate. Perhaps you could explain what you mean?
P.S. sorry I took a while to reply I missed the post on previous visits to the thread.
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Though if you do not believe in a dualism or do not believe in what get categorized as supernatural entites, to describe yourself as spiritual would be confused. You might be deep, or ethical, or profound, or philosophical, but not spiritual.
I do realize that the term is used by some atheists in self-description, but this is just confusing,and there are better words to describe what they are. In the end it is as strange as saying they are religious.
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But yes spiritual is not the perfect word, I can't think of a better one though. Perhaps philosophical, although you would still need to explain what you meant by that as it is non-normative usage.
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