If there is a God, why is there evil?

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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?

Post Number:#2281  Postby The Beast » July 23rd, 2017, 12:22 pm

Aion 371: “In Alchemy the snake is the symbol of Mercurius non vulgi, who was bracketed with the God of revelation”. The mechanisms of human thought are relative to a Universal thought. At the speed of thought I am faster from alpha to Omega than a single thought of Creation. I am the workings of the single thought as real as reality travelling from beginning to end. As the Universe goes from alpha to Omega, the inner works of thought are changed by the learned revealed bias. At the end, It is then that God might say: this is good.
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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?

Post Number:#2282  Postby Belindi » July 24th, 2017, 5:11 am

Fooloso4 wrote:

Yes, this much I understood. What I don’t understand is why the problem of evil goes away if we acknowledge that the love we create is not all-powerful.


The problem of evil as usually understood pertains only to God as Entity.

Because the love that we create is what we do it's not what we are. If there were such as "what we are" that would constitute an eternal form of the human, i.e. an end state of humans , a closure of possibility. Creation is not an entity or even The Entity, but a process.

Pragmatically, to believe that creation is an entity, is to allow idolatry.
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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?

Post Number:#2283  Postby Socrateaze » July 25th, 2017, 12:49 pm

There is no God and if there were why would he/she be concerned with little specs of dust? You talk about bad things happening to good people, that is too many adjectives. Things happen to people, would be more accurate and the judgement of those things and people is most likely an illusion or wishful thinking. Just because we can judge, doesn't mean our judgement is right, yet we have made our judgment law in a universe that follows its own law. We wish we can change the universe and we convince ourselves of how it must be. Perhaps this is why we don't understand God, if there is one we have missed him/her in shaping God to our wishes.
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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?

Post Number:#2284  Postby Atreyu » July 25th, 2017, 6:26 pm

Perhaps a better question is: Why would not there be evil if there is a God?
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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?

Post Number:#2285  Postby LuckyR » July 26th, 2017, 3:48 am

Atreyu wrote:Perhaps a better question is: Why would not there be evil if there is a God?


The OP's ridiculous question makes several silly assumptions. First, that if there is a being infinitely more intelligent and powerful than humans, it would then: A) care about beings infinitely less intelligent than itself, then B) eliminate negativity for these insignificant beings thereby C) destroying the only possible entertainment value of these creations ie their Free Will.

To quote Mr Spock, "illogical".
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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?

Post Number:#2286  Postby Socrateaze » July 26th, 2017, 4:30 am

LuckyR wrote:
Atreyu wrote:Perhaps a better question is: Why would not there be evil if there is a God?


The OP's ridiculous question makes several silly assumptions. First, that if there is a being infinitely more intelligent and powerful than humans, it would then: A) care about beings infinitely less intelligent than itself, then B) eliminate negativity for these insignificant beings thereby C) destroying the only possible entertainment value of these creations ie their Free Will.

To quote Mr Spock, "illogical".


Indeed, Mr Spock, I think it must be quite entertaining to watch mortals with half-baked ideas on reality call out for a God dressed in their own whims. Besides, if death is just the gateway to paradise, suffering should be relished, right? I personally don't believe in evil, just smart people rising above sociology the way Kings and governments rose to their quick fortunes and empires. Or as George Carlin said, 'if there is a natural disaster, I always hope it gets worse.'
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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?

Post Number:#2287  Postby -1- » July 26th, 2017, 5:37 am

Atreyu wrote:Perhaps a better question is: Why would not there be evil if there is a God?


There is good, there is evil, but it is the Christian scriptures that connected the two as opposite ends of a spectrum. God is good, and the devil is evil.

It all gets done by adding one letter to the concept. Purer even than semantics.

If there is evil in this world, it has been created by god, if you believe the bible, the koran, etc. because it was God that created everything.

That brings up the question, who created god? If god created everything, it created itself as well. Is that possible? Does not a creator's existence necessarily predate the existence of its creations? I am not smart enough to figure that one out. If the answer is "No, it does not," then god created itself.

Is there any good in creating evil? God is called infinitely good, but how credible is that claim? In fact, how credible is the claim that god exists? I give credit to the op, who worded the op as "given that god exists, why is there evil?" This is a valid question.
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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?

Post Number:#2288  Postby Ranvier » July 26th, 2017, 11:41 pm

God exists because I exist :)
Please forgive my god complex... but evil exists because I'm surrounded by all these fools.
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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?

Post Number:#2289  Postby Kinyonga » August 12th, 2017, 11:40 am

-1 wrote:That brings up the question, who created god? If god created everything, it created itself as well. Is that possible? Does not a creator's existence necessarily predate the existence of its creations? I am not smart enough to figure that one out. If the answer is "No, it does not," then god created itself.

Is there any good in creating evil? God is called infinitely good, but how credible is that claim? In fact, how credible is the claim that god exists? I give credit to the op, who worded the op as "given that god exists, why is there evil?" This is a valid question.


I think a creator would have to predate the existence of its creations. Nothingness can't create something. God was never created; He always existed.
God didn't create evil: He gave people free will; the choice to be good or evil. What would be the point (to a fair, loving God) of creating humans if they were just to be machines, obeying automatically?
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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?

Post Number:#2290  Postby Belindi » August 13th, 2017, 3:47 am

Hi Kinyonga. Welcome :)
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