If there is a God, why is there evil?
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On the other hand, the few who actually hear the unbounded song of the One Life or who merely wish to live free from the fetters of social conditioning others would foist upon them are shunned.
Through authentic expression, illusions of man could come tumbling down.
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There are idiots because God is The Idiot-in Chief!rayback wrote:
If there is a God, why is there evil?
That question can only be answered if you can answer this question:
If there is a God, why are there idiots?
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1 Corinthians 1:
25Because the foolishness/idiocy of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh,
not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27But God hath chosen the foolish/idiotic people of the world to confound the wise;
and God hath chosen the weak people of the world to confound the people which are mighty;
28And base people of the world,
and people which are despised, hath God chosen,
yea, and people] which are not/nobodies, to bring to nought people that are:
29That no [or all]flesh should glory in his presence.
30But of [Love and so in] him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let him glory in [Love and so in] the Lord.
1 Corinthians 3:
18Let no man deceive himself.
If any man among you seems to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
Love [Kee]p Making A Fool/An Idiot Of Me!
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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?
The question is meaningless.Floyd wrote:If there is a God, why is there evil?
One can just as well ask;
"If there is a god, why is there 'blue'?"
or "..'hamburgers'?"
or "...'good'?"
Meaningless, in itself.
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No it is not so obvious. You've made the fallacy of composition; just because there is evil in the world does not mean the world is evil. If God created things that are evil, that does not mean that He is evil. Isn't it quite possible that God created a universe with some evil in it, but that the universe on the whole is not evil?Belinda wrote:The original question would be better framed as 'In the presence of evil, can all-powerful God also be good God?'
Obviously not.You have to dispense with the all-powerfulness of God.
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Isaiah 45:Alun wrote:If God created things that are evil, that does not mean that He is evil. Isn't it quite possible that God created a universe with some evil in it, but that the universe on the whole is not evil?
7I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
8Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness:
let the earth open,
and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together;
I the LORD have created it.
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We are foolishly and stubbornly hardening our hearts saying that, well, there's evil in this wWorld, therefore God I choose not to follow your ways cause your a big fat sadistic jerk for allowing it...
But the truth is that your denying God or just choosing not to follow him because you don't agree with him, does not empower you or make God disapear.
We are small and insignifcant beings, and whether we agree with him or not does not change that fact that he has the power to squish you like a bug.
It doesn't empower you, it deems you foolish and those who take pride in there own foolishness, do no good to helping there end.
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I have not.You've made the fallacy of composition; just because there is evil in the world does not mean the world is evil.
Presumably if God is all-powerful he could do anything including making a world devoid of suffering.Since there is no known world that is devoid of suffering then there is no such entity as an all-powerful God.
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This is indeed what I say, although my choice of words differs from yours.well, there's evil in this wWorld, therefore God I choose not to follow your ways cause your a big fat sadistic jerk for allowing it...
However, to say this is not to dismiss the idea of God, but to change the idea of what God is. I do recommend to you some church or university where you may learn progressive Christianity.
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Why is it that 'suffering' and 'pain' are 'errors' or 'faults' or 'wrong' or 'evil' or 'mistakes'?Belinda wrote:Presumably if God is all-powerful he could do anything including making a world devoid of suffering.Since there is no known world that is devoid of suffering then there is no such entity as an all-powerful God.
This 'god' must operate on particular peoples egoic whims?
There is nothing 'imperfect' in pain or suffering. It's just 'uncomfortable', and there's nothing imperfect about discomfort, either!
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Hi Belinda!Belinda wrote:I have not.You've made the fallacy of composition; just because there is evil in the world does not mean the world is evil.
Presumably if God is all-powerful he could do anything including making a world devoid of suffering.Since there is no known world that is devoid of suffering then there is no such entity as an all-powerful God.
God was never all-powerful/omnipotent or omniscient or omnisapient nor omni-whatever!
God was always ONLY all-Loving, Omniagapent, filled with the Omniagapesence for Himself and all others as strong and weak, as potent and impotent, as knowing and ignorant, as fool and wise, as self and others, as etc and non-etc, as good and as evil.
1 Corinthians 1:
25Because the foolishness/ignorance/idiocy of God is wiser than men;
and the weakness/impotency/powerlessness/evil of God is stronger than/better than men.
26For ye see your calling, brethren, how that
not many wise men after the flesh,
not many mighty,
not many noble,
are called:
27But
God hath chosen the foolish people of the world to confound the wise;
and
God hath chosen the weak people of the world to confound the people which are mighty;
28And base people of the world,
and people which are despised, hath God chosen,
yea,
and people which are not/nothing/nobodies to bring to nought people that are [somebodies]:
29That no flesh [or all flesh] should glory in his presence.
30But of [Love and so of] him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in [OmniLove and so in] the Lord.
Well said, Faith!:)
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We often use our "free will" in such a way as to give up our "freedom", in positive or in negative ways.Juice wrote:O-Very well said except I don't think free will equates to freedom. I believe free will is a natural state gifted by God which allows man to either live by the knowledge of Gods Grace or not.
Anything else are just earthly choices which in fact are the things which enslave. As one does not have a choice not to eat or drink, or to breath. In these instance we are aware of the consequences of each which is death. So to with God whose Grace has allowed the choice of belief which can lead to life and death similarly.
We give up our freedom when we use our free will to tend to or help others.
We give up our freedom when we use our free will to attach to an addiction like drugs, sex, money, etc.
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Re: If there is a God, why is there evil?
It is not meaningless at all when you concider that god often is used to represent goodness. Evil then becomes the antithesis or opposite of god. Evil is apart from god so to speak.nameless wrote:The question is meaningless.Floyd wrote:If there is a God, why is there evil?
One can just as well ask;
"If there is a god, why is there 'blue'?"
or "..'hamburgers'?"
or "...'good'?"
Meaningless, in itself.
If you use god merely to represent the creator whatever that is with no attachmenty to the sapience of the creation then perhaps you may have a point.
However how can the creator have no attachment to its creation?
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