Greta wrote:Many are impatient with nonsense. Maybe they are stretched for time? A huge amount of the material I have encountered, scientific, philosophical and other, has been clearly flawed but I've still enjoyed plenty of it. For instance, I've come across truly silly material regarding sacred geometry, but some of the connections and observations made by those who study the field are thought provoking and fascinating.
Regarding evil in The Urantia, I'm not inclined to agree that suffering stems from our unwillingness to get things right. Rather, it stems from immaturity. Civilised humanity is very young; the dinos dominated for 260m years. We are still making animalistic errors and being lead by animalistic impulses because civilisation is very young, with memetic transmission being orders of magnitude faster than genetic transmission.
As we noted earlier, judging the universe's nature when it is still so young would seem akin to judging a small child or an unfinished work of art. The same leeway can also be accorded to humanity.
Be careful. Saying something like evil "stems from immaturity" can get you in trouble.
Anyway. here's one of the gems I was referring to: "Law is life itself and not the rules of its conduct. Evil is a transgression of law, not a violation of the rules of conduct pertaining to life, which is
the law." Mistakes are going to be made on every level of existence short of the infinite and there will will always be those, high and low, who choose
to violate law for selfish reasons -- at least, that's the way I see it.
Here's another one of those gems:
Extremely complex and highly automatic-appearing cosmic mechanisms always tend to conceal the presence of the originative or creative indwelling mind from any and all intelligences very far below the universe levels of the nature and capacity of the mechanism itself. Therefore is it inevitable that the higher universe mechanisms must appear to be mindless to the lower orders of creatures. The only possible exception to such a conclusion would be the implication of mindedness in the amazing phenomenon of an apparently self-maintaining universe — but that is a matter of philosophy rather than one of actual experience.
In other words, we're fish in the ocean and blind to the water in which we swim.
TY91 wrote:I don't believe in evil either.
Whether or not there is a god - well, no-one can answer that in my opinion although I am aware that there are many in this world who believe they can.
What I find more interesting is why we humans assume that any perceived god possesses similar emotional traits to us. I also find it curious that many tend to assign gender to the god they speak of, although perhaps part of the reason for that is the language limitations we have:- if not he or she then what? It? Doesn't sound particularly good. In fact it almost sounds insulting. Or at least I imagine it would to some.
But back to the original question. I guess I can't really give an answer to that since as I said, I do not believe in evil (as I understand the meaning of the word).
When discussing this type of issue I tend to get caught up in the semantics firstly. In this case the meaning of the words "god" and "evil". Because there is invariably a subjective element to the understanding of these words.
I think the anthropomorphism is a carryover from more primitive times and the fact that many people are too myopic to see beyond what's in front of their face.
Steve3007 wrote:I guess one of the problems with the pronoun "it" is that, in the English language at least, it tends to imply non-sentience. Calling a sentient being, especially a human, "it" is usually seen as an implied insult because (for whatever reason) we tend to think of it as insulting to tell a person that they are not sentient. For people who conceptualise God by analogy with humans I presume the same principle applies.
So I guess we need a new version of "it" which explicitly can't be applied to rocks and can only be applied to thinking beings.
I agree. But even the literal translation of "Allah" (the
God) runs into problems. It might just have to be a matter of education.