Post Number:#601 July 25th, 2012, 7:14 pm
Nicholas wrote:BaruchSpinoza wrote:
Divine here refers to peoples sense of the divine, which is a sense of infinite love and being. A certain mystical sense of a potentiality to connect with something beyond finite reality, which potentiality can actualize a more profound part of our nature when compared to all other things which can actualize our being. A being which our ever seeking Will finds restitude in beyond any other object. Not restitude in the sense of an idea, like when we might want to trick ourselves that "everything is alright," in some particular situation, but something which our whole being connects with. What we know about it comes from our experience of it, and this is how many people experience it. We see this is Bu
I understand that you ascribe this phenomena to an evolutionary "mind screw," because we "seek to explain origins," and "fear death," which is possible. Yet the way in which we experience this sense and the impact which it has the potential to have on our beings points more toward aspects of a super fulfilling relationship, beyond head knowledge and a fear, such as is posited in your theory. It touches a part of our being which allows our internal capacity to extend outward and higher than anything which touches us can.
I am not sure what exactly the proof of your assertion regarding this phenomena we experience is? It seems to be based on ideas which seek a more exact explanation of this phenomena... I am curious...
I would not deny that there is a range of humans experience that is known, amongst other things, as divine. But humans tendency to mumbo jumbo and the wish for some force beyond this world is so great that such experience is wrongly ascribed. Trance behaviour, for example, is common to many human societies, but there is no agreement as to what it is. Such altered states can be induced easily enough, and the gullible can be seen to succumb to malicious or light hearted foolery on any stage offering hypnotism or mesmerism; or even just meditation at home.
Studying such stuff on a wider anthropological perspective can be instructive to help unpack what is seen as 'touching the infinite', 'communing with ancestors', 'talking to your totem animal', and a range of other uninformed beliefs. Such experiences can also be induced with sensory deprivation, or short-cut with a range of drugs. The trouble with the mystical interpretations is without exception wrong, they do not lead to any knowledge 'beyond head knowledge', whatever that quaint phrase is supposed to mean. In fact thousands of years of such practices has not achieved anything more that a nice head-re-set; a nice rest in the case of meditation; maybe the chance to quit smoking, which I doubt; a bit of healing based on the excellent placebo of community engagement (I think her specifically of the !Kung San healing trance), but sadly no pragmatic knowledge, far sight, telepathy, or any agreement about the nature of god, or the divine.
I'd seriously advise a wider anthropological perspective which demonstrates the same sort of behaviours from San bushmen; Amazonian drug taking Yanomano; Whirling Dervishes; and certain sects of happy-clappy Christians in the USA, all of whom claim they have achieved completely different things; they cannot all be right, and it is likely that the explanation of these states have a far more interesting and psycho-cerebral explanation.
-- Updated July 25th, 2012, 7:19 pm to add the following --
Teacher4U wrote:Okay I see. Purpose and reason are different.
And there can be multiple types of purpose. I usually divide them in to two categories, mental and physical.
What's the physical purpose of being in the physical World, is that we are just another model of absorption and transference of energies (just like the sun, just like plants, just like the collision of two bodies in space). I would say one mental purpose of being in the physical World, is for me to be tested. Everything in between are just characteristic of those two purposes.
Can you stop yourself fulfilling those purposes? No.
I think you missed my point. As an agent of change determined by ones experience and dependant on the world, ones choices are limited by ones potentialities. But there is no purpose to life, except that which you choose. You may choose within the range of the possible, but you are not here to fulfil any pre-ordained purpose. I think the idea of purpose that is more that personal intention is a false concept.