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Well, I can't speak for other religions, or even for others of my own religion, but for me, the journey will ultimately end in the promised land, Paradise. In the meantime, I am being led on a journey through the wilderness of life, learning to: depend on God; exercise dominion over my flesh; and let go of things that prevent me from apprehending abundant life.Wooden shoe wrote:Please explain where religion is going!
What do you mean by moving forward?Wooden shoe wrote:My sense of things is that most religions are in the business of keeping the world from moving foreword, don't like to be confused by facts.
Yes, I agree. However, religious entities also provided the means by which science could grow, libraries, education, printing, etc.Wooden shoe wrote:History is replete with religious entities fighting or repressing knowledge f it was or is believed it conflicts with writing which is 2000 or more years old.
How is the big bang theory any less a matter of faith than intelligent design? What facts are presented in science classes to prove it?Wooden shoe wrote:Evidence? The teaching of intelligent design in science classes without any facts to back it up. The Vatican fighting any birth control or protection against the spread of aids.
It is redundant to say "I think" or "I believe", because everything you utter is a thought or a belief. You only echo what you believe to be facts. How much of what you believe you know, is original thought?Wooden shoe wrote:And what you believe regarding any kind of afterlife or "soul" or "GOD" is your business, but stating it as fact is not fitting in a philosophy discussion simply because none of this can be backed up by facts. I think you misunderstand the notion of
If you preface these things with "I think" or "I believe" I would not question you.
If you stated a believe in Harry Potter being a real wizard, I might think it strange, however you are entitled to believe anything you wish.
cynicallyinsane wrote:What's the difference between religion and philosophy? Aren't they both the search for fundemental truths?
Well, I never. Here's an excerpt from an article at Medical OnlineWooden shoe wrote:The spread of aids is much more common between hetero's at this time then in the homo community.
It would be easier if you just told me what facts you would present to a science class in support of the Big Bang. It is simple enough, isn't it?Wooden shoe wrote:On the issue of intelligent design please read Richard Dawkins book "The greatest show on earth" and then we can talk again.
Your lack of objection to the other contributions of the church is noted. In regard to printing: yes, the church did try to keep knowledge from the masses, BUT, what was the first major book printed and still is the most published book in the history of printing? The Bible. On what fundamental text did the literacy of the masses depend in the early history of European and US literacy? The Bible. The Bible was the first book that many people read. The printing of BIBLES was the reason the established church lost its strangle hold on knowledge, because people could read it and interpret it themselves. Printing was the technology that powered the Reformation.Wooden shoe wrote:Also please read on the history of Europe and you will see how the various religious entities tried to keep knowledge from the masses and were against the printing press.
There are no rules for philosophy, and any philosopher can come out with any idea, crazy or realistic, their idea of truth.
This is true because philosophy in not going anywhere. Philosophers don't want to go anywhere. They just want to contemplate stuff. There are no goals.
That doesn't mean philosophy is not valuable. On the contrary, philosophers dwell in a world of ideas that provide necessary resources for those who ARE going somewhere, like religions.
Please explain where religion is going!
My sense of things is that most religions are in the business of keeping the world from moving foreword, don't like to be confused by facts.
Wooden shoe wrote:Hello Enegue.
The only good which has come from religion is a lot of great architecture and music.
The printing press was perhaps the greatest invention of the middle ages.
The koran is also a book that has great numbers for itself, but numbers do not make truth.
I do not teach, also I am not a scientist, and the beginning of this universe is hard to understand at best, but in my mind evolution is a fact with tons of evidence to support it.
The idea of intelligent design is so obviously flawed, because if it were true the designer did a real lousy job.
But if you can accept a amateur designer who screwed up left and right, go for it!
Wooden shoe wrote:Gday Enegue.
Regarding religion not keeping up with the times, I agree, It has not been a salting salt for many centuries.