As noted earlier, Lucky, the first evidence suggestive of religious belief are Australopithecus burial shrines.
Why did God create the world and man?
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Exactly, I wonder what their answer would be?
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You are familiar with the LDS, right?
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Philosophically, If a God of this sort exists, then he may have created the world so that the other would be. Individuals and the other are, essentially, a product of His creation. Therefore, this philosophical topic of Individual and Other Minds comes from a created universe by an eternal God.
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Given the inevitable harshness of their lives, I imagine they would have figured that the god/s were punishing them, rewarding them, challenging them or toying with them. Interesting that it didn't occur to them that they could be simply collateral damage of powerful natural processes.
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Wow, you really how to hurt a guy... But seriously, I must be among the world's worst communicators.
As to the LDS, they firmly believe they are a denomination of the standard christian churches. The standard christian churches tend to think of them as a cult.
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I realize now that you are not a creationist. That is fine. However, what convinces you that "powerful natural processes" makes humanity, I presume, "collateral damage?" And, can I ask one more: why do you think that your version of the world's beginning is better than a creationists?
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Well, yes and no. True, their lives were incredibly brutal... to our Modern eyes. To them their lives were average. The thing that is likely notable about their existence IMO would be what they felt about the hierarchy of their society. Compared to us, it was an incredibly flat hierarchy, but compared to their peers/ancestors, it might be the start/development of a hierarchical and stratified society. If so, then it is highly likely that the invention of gods was a technique to just up the ladder and partake of the spoils.Greta wrote: ↑December 28th, 2017, 4:27 pmGiven the inevitable harshness of their lives, I imagine they would have figured that the god/s were punishing them, rewarding them, challenging them or toying with them. Interesting that it didn't occur to them that they could be simply collateral damage of powerful natural processes.
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I assume that you are not referring to the obviously mythological anthropomorphic deity that people refer to as "He" but a fundamental intelligence posited to exist within the fabric of reality by mystics, and more properly referred to as "it"; some models being pantheistic and others panentheistic.Wesgtr wrote: ↑December 28th, 2017, 5:11 pmGreta,
I realize now that you are not a creationist. That is fine. However, what convinces you that "powerful natural processes" makes humanity, I presume, "collateral damage?" And, can I ask one more: why do you think that your version of the world's beginning is better than a creationists?
You ask why I think the way I do. Why do you think the way you do? :) As far as I can tell, we are each small, somewhat aware parts of the Earth with a particular perspective shaped by temperament and life experience.
Was there always intelligence in the universe or is reality gradually becoming more aware and intelligent? I don't know the answer to that question, one that's been disagreed upon through history by many sharper minds than ours. From our human perspective it looks like awareness evolves, but if we do reside within a larger, exponentially more sophisticated mentality, how could we possibly know?
Is this is the first universe or the trillionth? Maybe in previous universes some beings kept evolving and advancing, progressively solving the ever greater perils thrown at them by the cosmos, even surviving the heat death of their universe. There mere presence of such beings would influence any subsequent big bang, since they would necessarily change the initial state of what would be a chaotic system. Aka "God".
Given that this is a philosophy forum rather than a religious forum, my doubt leaves me no choice but stay on the fence and lean towards the view that's least reliant on assumptions, and hope for more information to help clarify the situation.
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Perhaps because imperfections are more interesting. Would you watch a movie which shows only perfect good, perfect justice, perfection all round without any encroachment of the polluting and insidious to make things interesting...to give it a story! Creation is a distortion of perfection since the former, in contrast to the latter, is dynamic breaking up and reordering the so-called Platonic Solids into an endless Kaleidoscope of shapes. One is only a god or brain paralyzed to the extent one can put up with the perfection of boredom.
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There are plenty of religions where the universe wasn't created by gods, the gods just live in the universe.
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Hail the untempled sinuous sublime
God unrendered which renders god divine!
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