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Greta wrote: February 24th, 2018, 11:07 pm
jerlands wrote: February 24th, 2018, 10:31 pm

I'm trying to grasp what you seem to be implying but for the life of me I don't see myself compressed into digitized bits. As for pot legislature.. I believe in education which gives man the ability to make informed decisions and without which we are compelled to oblivion. Man is biology and what benefits man's biology benefits our existence. We cannot make informed decisions without the correct information and that includes what man is in relation to all.
Greta wrote: February 24th, 2018, 11:07 pm Nobody grasps what it might mean to be digitised, but that is apparently where numerous well-studied observers that we may be going.
What studies are those? I've never heard of them?
Greta wrote: February 24th, 2018, 11:07 pm History has been made by uninformed decisions, which always became obvious with hindsight. There are no risk free options.
There may not be any risk free options but we are able to minimize our exposure to threat and harm by making good choices. Good choices shouldn't be that difficult to understand but when it comes to legalization of marijuana the issue is obscured by political motivations which you seem to well understand.
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jerlands wrote: February 24th, 2018, 9:59 pm
Dark Matter wrote: February 24th, 2018, 8:41 pm

I find it impossible to understand why people would drink just to get drunk -- and I've seen a lot of that.
Drinking alcohol does not equate to drunk but yes, it can lead to that state which is more dangerous than getting high on marijuana. The question however is the motivation which you seem to be unable to grasp.
You’re right. I am unable to grasp the motivation. I see it as the act of ingrates, a lack of self-respect and a lack of and self-discipline.
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Dark Matter wrote: February 24th, 2018, 11:34 pm
jerlands wrote: February 24th, 2018, 9:59 pm

Drinking alcohol does not equate to drunk but yes, it can lead to that state which is more dangerous than getting high on marijuana. The question however is the motivation which you seem to be unable to grasp.
You’re right. I am unable to grasp the motivation. I see it as the act of ingrates, a lack of self-respect and a lack of and self-discipline.
There is a great deal of information the gives credit to medical marijuana. As for recreational use.. the question is whether psychotropic substances have benefit and many think they do.
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Dark Matter wrote: February 24th, 2018, 11:34 pm
jerlands wrote: February 24th, 2018, 9:59 pm

Drinking alcohol does not equate to drunk but yes, it can lead to that state which is more dangerous than getting high on marijuana. The question however is the motivation which you seem to be unable to grasp.
You’re right. I am unable to grasp the motivation. I see it as the act of ingrates, a lack of self-respect and a lack of and self-discipline.
You are either speaking about a topic that you have no knowledge about or could benefit from additional life experience. Trust me, there is more out there.
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LuckyR wrote: February 25th, 2018, 2:58 am
Dark Matter wrote: February 24th, 2018, 11:34 pm

You’re right. I am unable to grasp the motivation. I see it as the act of ingrates, a lack of self-respect and a lack of and self-discipline.
You are either speaking about a topic that you have no knowledge about or could benefit from additional life experience. Trust me, there is more out there.
I think he needs something more convincing :P
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jerlands wrote: February 25th, 2018, 3:26 am
LuckyR wrote: February 25th, 2018, 2:58 am

You are either speaking about a topic that you have no knowledge about or could benefit from additional life experience. Trust me, there is more out there.
I think he needs something more convincing :P
True. It's not like I haven't been exposed to it or haven't had the opportunity to try it shoved in my face.
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Dark Matter wrote: February 24th, 2018, 8:41 pm
jerlands wrote: February 24th, 2018, 6:42 pm
Do you also find it hard to understand why people use alcohol?
I find it impossible to understand why people would drink just to get drunk -- and I've seen a lot of that.
Here's a phrase I've heard in my own head - not about alcohol in my case - "Why wouldn't I want to feel this good all the time?"

Getting drunk is fun. It's that simple. Getting high with marijuana is even more fun, I think.

Now keep in mind that I'm a marijuana user who didn't start until I was in my 40's.

But I can say, for example, that listening to music stoned is FANTASTIC. It's literally always better than listening to music sober unless you're in absolutely the perfect mood. Your mind can follow the music in a different way.

Also, a lot of people find that they are more creative in certain ways with marijuana - at least at first.

Finally, I call marijuana "the weed of forgetting". Because cannabinoids affect your memory very much like the way being asleep does, you can really leave the cares of the day behind if you need to.
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Dlaw wrote: February 25th, 2018, 1:02 pm
Dark Matter wrote: February 24th, 2018, 8:41 pm

I find it impossible to understand why people would drink just to get drunk -- and I've seen a lot of that.
Here's a phrase I've heard in my own head - not about alcohol in my case - "Why wouldn't I want to feel this good all the time?"

Getting drunk is fun. It's that simple. Getting high with marijuana is even more fun, I think.

Now keep in mind that I'm a marijuana user who didn't start until I was in my 40's.

But I can say, for example, that listening to music stoned is FANTASTIC. It's literally always better than listening to music sober unless you're in absolutely the perfect mood. Your mind can follow the music in a different way.

Also, a lot of people find that they are more creative in certain ways with marijuana - at least at first.

Finally, I call marijuana "the weed of forgetting". Because cannabinoids affect your memory very much like the way being asleep does, you can really leave the cares of the day behind if you need to.
You’re making my case for me. You’re describing the kind of immature rationality I try to avoid. The caliber of people who make those kind of arguments I can only classify as “losers.”

Don’t get me wrong. I have a friend who suffers terribly from cerebral palsy and occasionally uses marijuana to alleviate her symptoms. That’s fine. But for recreation? That’s for losers who don’t have any higher interests than feeling better.
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Dark Matter wrote: February 25th, 2018, 2:57 pm But for recreation? That’s for losers who don’t have any higher interests than feeling better.
Is there any value in feeling better? Is there any reason why people might need to feel better and further is there a value to psychotropic substances other than feeling better?
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Dark Matter wrote: February 25th, 2018, 2:57 pmBut for recreation? That’s for losers who don’t have any higher interests than feeling better.
Hi Dad, when did you return to life? Great to see you back, old boy, even if you are still talking old fart b0llocks :)

The problem here is that most people, including my deceased (and seemingly current) Dad, are confused by chemicals. We are chemical beings and we alter our mind and chemistry constantly, every day, but we don't call it "drugs". When I was working I only half jokingly described the coffee provided by the office as performance enhancing drugs.

As John Lennon sang, "whatever it takes to get you through the night is alright". Life is hard and we are not all the same, with different internal chemistries issues and needs. I hope society's laws change to reflect this human reality.

So I have no problem whatsoever with other people being imperfect in life, as I am. Good luck to them. I hope they find some peace any way they can, which is not always easy to find amongst us 7.5 billion in environments that are transforming at a disconcerting rate.
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Doesn’t change anything I said.
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Dark Matter wrote: February 25th, 2018, 7:14 pm Doesn’t change anything I said.
No, it just shows how your post was naive to human chemical diversity.
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Greta wrote: February 25th, 2018, 7:39 pm
Dark Matter wrote: February 25th, 2018, 7:14 pm Doesn’t change anything I said.
No, it just shows how your post was naive to human chemical diversity.
I don't know it's so much a chemical diversity as it is a situational diversity. To get to the root cause it may demand we find the reason for disparity. An interesting concept was brought to my attention called Emotional Intelligence, how we think of ourselves in relation with others (I am the Walrus.)
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jerlands wrote: February 25th, 2018, 8:45 pm
Greta wrote: February 25th, 2018, 7:39 pm
No, it just shows how your post was naive to human chemical diversity.
I don't know it's so much a chemical diversity as it is a situational diversity. To get to the root cause it may demand we find the reason for disparity. An interesting concept was brought to my attention called Emotional Intelligence, how we think of ourselves in relation with others
I can go along with that. (I’m assuming you wanted to post the video.) There are several kinds of intelligence. According to Wiki,
Emotional intelligence (EI), also known as Emotional quotient (EQ) and Emotional Intelligence Quotient(EIQ), is the capability of individuals to recognize their own emotions and those of others, discern between different feelings and label them appropriately, use emotional information to guide thinking and behavior, and manage and/or adjust emotions to adapt to environments or achieve one's goal(s).
Using Wike as the guide, in some things my EI is outstanding; in some things my EI really sucks.
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Dark Matter wrote: February 26th, 2018, 1:08 am
jerlands wrote: February 25th, 2018, 8:45 pm I don't know it's so much a chemical diversity as it is a situational diversity. To get to the root cause it may demand we find the reason for disparity. An interesting concept was brought to my attention called Emotional Intelligence, how we think of ourselves in relation with others (I am the Walrus.)
I can go along with that. (I’m assuming you wanted to post the video.) There are several kinds of intelligence. According to Wiki,
Emotional intelligence (EI), also known as Emotional quotient (EQ) and Emotional Intelligence Quotient(EIQ), is the capability of individuals to recognize their own emotions and those of others, discern between different feelings and label them appropriately, use emotional information to guide thinking and behavior, and manage and/or adjust emotions to adapt to environments or achieve one's goal(s).
Using Wike as the guide, in some things my EI is outstanding; in some things my EI really sucks.
I seem to be one of the few that the YouTube link fails with so I don't bother with videos. Seems my system doesn't like insecure information. My mention of the beatles "I am the Walrus" was a bit of a rub as I've seen 'Greta' reference them more than once.

As for EQ.. We think we need to split everything up into pieces, dissecting this and that to understand what it is without realizing this and that is merely part of a bigger picture. Medicine is the same. We have specialists for this and specialists for that and none of them understand how any of it works together.
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