Global Politics
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Global Politics
Given that the most powerful nations on the planet can have a global effect, and given that we are working towards a united nation of Earth, then would the correct step, in the future, be to allow the lesser powerful nations to have a say in the vote of other nations?
For example let us say that the people in the US voted in a president that every other nation opposed. Given the global influence of the US should not the entire planet not have some small say in the matter without resorting to all out war or a new cold-war?
Do you think these will be a feasible thing in the future given the EU "experiment"? Of course this is assuming you believe in the idea of a more united nation of humankind.
Note: I don't conceive of this happening anytime soon, but I remain optimistic for the human race.
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Re: Global Politics
They can stop talking to us, or stop trading with us. They can organize a group of like minded nations to take such actions together. They can fund in depth investigations of the unwelcome president which are fed to the media. They can hack the communications of the president and send the data to Wikileaks. They can stage huge protest marches in their own country.Burning ghost wrote:For example let us say that the people in the US voted in a president that every other nation opposed. Given the global influence of the US should not the entire planet not have some small say in the matter without resorting to all out war or a new cold-war?
They could show up for a state dinner at the White House wearing clown costumes, and make loud farting sounds throughout the president's remarks. They could hire militant gay extremists to scream "Bump Trump In The Rump!!"
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Re: Global Politics
The question is it a good idea to give some form of say to foreign countries in elections as a move towards a united global governing body?
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Re: Global Politics
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Re: Global Politics
At the moment we have this is isolation. What I imagine the future course to be is two nations in some mutual agreement and the larger power in gaining from the smaller power having to trade away a piece of its independence. Much like in the EU the small nations possess a relatively large influence (although the system is not ideal and when I refer to the EU it should be understood that I don't see this as a shining example).
I guess the premise of what I am getting at is a system where the most powerful/wealthy nations don't have direct choice in matters of global leadership or in global economic distribution, but they maintain direct local control.
As an example let say there are 10 nations and 2 main "superpowers" and 3 undeveloped and poor nations. All nations pool resources into a global system and the poor nations have the greatest say in how these resources are distributed. On top of this the 2 "superpowers" also have to allow the participation of other nations into their government elections.
Of course I am oversimplifying. I do imagine that the main commodity in entering into a global nation would be "votes". With nations initially trading both national and global influence for development and growth. Over time this cycle would allow for a more immediate move towards global unification.
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Re: Global Politics
And no, I don't like the idea of a one nation world - until the people on Earth are much more universally rational than they are now.
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I guess an obvious requirement for a movement towards a global nation would be education prior to the situation I am talking about.
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If we become a Global Nation then if there is an interim period I am suggesting that it will be something like the form I am saying. This form being one where sovereignty is partially shared and shifting.
Thee may be other courses we could take towards a Global Nation and I am interested to hear what you think they may be.
I don't personally see how one radical and quick movement towards a Global Nation is possible so I suggest, and ask, what this transfer from individual nations to one more whole may look like.
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Without such an outside threat, your theory runs up against some very fundamental obstacles. You might have read somewhere that what we are made of, thought, is inherently divisive in nature. This is a profound form of bias for division at all levels of the human experience, including the political realm.
As example, the United States was most united in it's history in it's struggle against German and Japanese fascists, who together posed an existential threat to the country. Once that threat was removed we almost immediately returned to fighting amongst ourselves internally, even though it would have been far more in our interest to stay united.
If you put a gun to our head, we'll unite. Once the gun is removed, we'll go back to being divided. This is the inherently divisive nature of thought at work, seeking division at all levels of the human experience where ever possible.
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No it's isn't going to education that drives globalization, rather the discovery of a clear and overt extraterrestrial threat.Burning ghost wrote:Assume these people of the future are reasonably well educated and informed about the world they live in.
I guess an obvious requirement for a movement towards a global nation would be education prior to the situation I am talking about.
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Re: Global Politics
The question is not, if were moving towards a global nation, the only question is, how long before that becomes a commonly accepted notion of fact.
Trumpty Dumpty's ego turns politics on its head, and in so doing, brings out the worst fears, and potentially dangerous actions of those who feel dispossed--- rightly, or wrongly ---by whomever, or whatever systems that are in place.
Capitalism-- rightly, wrongly or both ---is unifying global force. The only question is, will humanities greed, or whatever human desires, bring about humanities ultimate demise.
As Fuller has pointed our repeatedly, there is no guarantee of humanities long time survival on Earth.
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Re: Global Politics
What's likely is that we give various nations a voice in matters that involve them. So trade agreements involve giving other nations a voice in your affairs in return for a voice in their affairs. The more agreements are made, the more we exchange power with others. Voting won't gradually include other countries, but other countries will become important enough that you can't afford to ignore them when you hold a vote.
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