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Re: Global Politics

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I would make two assertions:
1. Knowledge shouldn't be difficult to understand. If something is too difficult to understand, it ether means that knowledge isn't properly conveyed or it's incorrect.
2. Nothing in our reality happens without a reason, where the "reason" (double entendre) is most often driven by profit but it can be any agenda that increases power.

Therefore, most misunderstanding is caused by intentional vagueness or direct intent to mislead. Collectively we humans, had been conditioned to operate in the realm of lie and deception in the strive for the survival of the fittest, regardless of the consequences and wisdom. Hence, whenever there is a group of people destined to interact within a social setting, there will be a process of establishing the power hierarchy to achieve specific agenda. Those who were most successful to climb to the top of the hierarchy ladder, will be in the position to dictate the rhetoric. Without a general agreement of the common social value (aim, goal, purpose), which had been the case for thousands of years, this will create a social divide that isn't based on the method of achieving the common human value but to further the the specific agenda of elite that holds the most power either physical or in numbers that historically is resolved through war.

We can discuss a number of political systems to dispel any intentional misconceptions applied to "masses" in appeal to patriotism, fear, or racial superiority. However, if we wish to contemplate any Global Politics, it should be paramount to first find a common human value that everyone could agree upon, even if it's just for survival. But of course we would have to specify if that is meant as survival of the species or all individual human lives. As the human population continues to grow exponentially, stimulated by the modern corporate commercialism to increase the number of consumers, we should be able to see the evidence of the Global Tsunami of Socialism that beside the Dictatorship and Fascism is the best method to subdue the masses. We will continue to see further divergence of "common good" from individual rights as "equal rights" and political correctness striving to equalize individuality through censorship, public education, reduced political diversity, uniform media propaganda, socialization of healthcare, but most of all narrowing of the wealth distribution from normal bell curve. Otherwise, citizenship of Global community should arise from a personal responsibility that doesn't require totalitarian system censorship of individual rights of speech or behavior. Any "idiot" should have the right without fear of repercussions to speak one's mind in a healthy society of individuals.
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Ranvier:
1. Knowledge shouldn't be difficult to understand. If something is too difficult to understand, it ether means that knowledge isn't properly conveyed or it's incorrect.
Is that knowledge in all subjects or just some subjects? Understandable by whom?

Nothing in our reality happens without a reason, where the "reason" (double entendre) is most often driven by profit but it can be any agenda that increases power.
I presume you're talking specifically about human actions. I don't think a rock rolls down a cliff because it thinks there's some money in it.
Therefore, most misunderstanding is caused by intentional vagueness or direct intent to mislead.
Isn't most of it caused by the fact that we're not specialists in the field being discussed? There is loads of knowledge that I don't understand. It's not because the explanation is vague or deliberately misleading. It is because I'm not a specialist in that field, or I don't have the skill to understand the concepts, or both.
But of course we would have to specify if that is meant as survival of the species or all individual human lives.
Yes. Collective benefit versus individual benefit is indeed one of the principle moral dilemmas in politics. (I'm looking for the best parts of your post.)
As the human population continues to grow exponentially, stimulated by the modern corporate commercialism to increase the number of consumers
Not so good. Human population growth is generally slowest in the more affluent regions of the world where consumerism/commercialism/whatever you want to call it is most rampant.

I think the rest of your post kind of goes down hill from there so I'll leave it at those points for now.
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Re: Global Politics

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ranvier---1. Knowledge shouldn't be difficult to understand. If something is too difficult to understand, it ether means that knowledge isn't properly conveyed or it's incorrect.
Fuller would agree with that uses his jitterbug/VE as an example of operating system of Universe that a child can hold in their hands and understand, or a blind or deaf person can hold in their hand and understand via tactile senses.

2. Nothing in our reality happens without a reason, where the "reason" (double entendre) is most often driven by profit but it can be any agenda that increases power.
Humans apply reason, Universe applies cause and effect.
Therefore, most misunderstanding is caused by intentional vagueness or direct intent to mislead. Collectively we humans, had been conditioned to operate in the realm of lie and deception in the strive for the survival of the fittest, regardless of the consequences and wisdom.
85% of all conflicts can be resolved via communication.

Capitalism is the new darwinism aka survival of the fattest. I forget who posted this a few messages back. Right-on{ the money }.
Hence, whenever there is a group of people destined to interact within a social setting, there will be a process of establishing the power hierarchy to achieve specific agenda. Those who were most successful to climb to the top of the hierarchy ladder, will be in the position to dictate the rhetoric. Without a general agreement of the common social value (aim, goal, purpose), which had been the case for thousands of years, this will create a social divide that isn't based on the method of achieving the common human value but to further the the specific agenda of elite that holds the most power either physical or in numbers that historically is resolved through war.
Aka big swinging dick.
We can discuss a number of political systems to dispel any intentional misconceptions applied to "masses" in appeal to patriotism, fear, or racial superiority. However, if we wish to contemplate any Global Politics, it should be paramount to first find a common human value that everyone could agree upon, even if it's just for survival. But of course we would have to specify if that is meant as survival of the species or all individual human lives. As the human population continues to grow exponentially, stimulated by the modern corporate commercialism to increase the number of consumers, we should be able to see the evidence of the Global Tsunami of Socialism that beside the Dictatorship and Fascism is the best method to subdue the masses. We will continue to see further divergence of "common good" from individual rights as "equal rights" and political correctness striving to equalize individuality through censorship, public education, reduced political diversity, uniform media propaganda, socialization of healthcare, but most of all narrowing of the wealth distribution from normal bell curve. Otherwise, citizenship of Global community should arise from a personal responsibility that doesn't require totalitarian system censorship of individual rights of speech or behavior. Any "idiot" should have the right without fear of repercussions to speak one's mind in a healthy society of individuals.
Good stuff. Rings true. imho

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Steve3007 wrote: Is that knowledge in all subjects or just some subjects? Understandable by whom?
All subjects. Any adult with desire to learn and average IQ 120 scale.
Isn't most of it caused by the fact that we're not specialists in the field being discussed? There is loads of knowledge that I don't understand. It's not because the explanation is vague or deliberately misleading. It is because I'm not a specialist in that field, or I don't have the skill to understand the concepts, or both.
How do you think the specialist became specialist, he learned. Do you think that these people are smarter than you? If the specialist understand the information, so can you. You don't have to know the entire subject area to understand a simple concept out of that field of study. People just feel better when they seem very knowledgeable in their field make and make you feel silly talking about their field.
Not so good. Human population growth is generally slowest in the more affluent regions of the world where consumerism/commercialism/whatever you want to call it is most rampant.
Of course you're right but you must think beyond the obvious, keeping assertion 2 in mind. Do you suppose that all the agencies with 3 letter acronyms are not aware how many and who enters the country? If that were to be true then an average illegal could run across the border with 1lb of cocaine for a business start up, uniform and weapon (even biological) of some foreign country, where within a year there could be a well established military force of close to 1 million people within our borders. Lol, that seems as either unimaginable negligence or the assertion 2 took over within both parties interests.

As for population growth, think in terms the general large scale population not focused demographics. Ex. We are one of the largest producers of food in the world and it's in our interest stimulate the population growth. Think in terms of a company. Once you saturate the market with your product, what can be done to sell more? You can keep producing constantly new products but stimulating the population growth would be far more beneficial. Try to take a step back and think in terms of the big picture. Why do you suppose that the divorce rate is so high or kids graduate high school without being able to read in English properly in some areas?
I think the rest of your post kind of goes down hill from there so I'll leave it at those points for now.
I appreciate your opinion, I'll try to do better next time

-- Updated March 1st, 2017, 11:36 pm to add the following --

Sorry for all the mistakes, sometimes my typing is not as fast as thoughts

and thanks r6
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Even if humanity were to unite as one nation Earth, we still have human ego to deal with. Ha!

There is no escaping the ego and its good or bad consequences. The ego is always with us may be found in some ancient Asian religious texts.

Fuller idea was that we have 200 or more captains running spaceship Earth. That is just the first problem.

Putting Trump as the one captain of spacehip Earth does not solve humanities great set of problems.

U.S. has balance of powers:

1} president,

2} congress,

3} judiciary.

Mother, Father, progeny

An octagon{ <> } is appropriate model for wealth distribution on Earth. Fat middle class and only a few rich and few poor at the diametric end points.

Fuller believe, that, if humanity did not unify into a one-world-nation by year 2000 it would be curtains for humanity.

Again, unification does not solve any ego issues the may be detrimental to humanities survival on Earth.

r6
Rr6 wrote:Through-out history, force has been used to unify. Ex Mohammed, Teto, Soviet Union, Civil Wars, Ghnig Khan, Alxeander, Romans etc....
The question is not, if were moving towards a global nation, the only question is, how long before that becomes a commonly accepted notion of fact.
Trumpty Dumpty's ego turns politics on its head, and in so doing, brings out the worst fears, and potentially dangerous actions of those who feel dispossed--- rightly, or wrongly ---by whomever, or whatever systems that are in place.
Capitalism-- rightly, wrongly or both ---is unifying global force. The only question is, will humanities greed, or whatever human desires, bring about humanities ultimate demise.
As Fuller has pointed our repeatedly, there is no guarantee of humanities long time survival on Earth.

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r6, you're a wise man. All very true. This is the dilemma, we need ego for individuality to express itself otherwise we'd have a society of automatons but too much ego causes wars and pyramid wealth distribution. This is the extreme danger of imposing the global system on the world rather than people of the world coming together in consensus that unites them.

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"Alcoholic's" first step to recovery is to acknowledge that there is a problem...
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Ran--"Alcoholic's" first step to recovery is to acknowledge that there is a problem..
Same goes for sanity. The individual knowing they have mental issue is first step towards being sane. :--)

Again, balance of powers is a good way to go.

1} president, or prime minister or a council of elders{ men and women? }

2} congress, or council of elders{ men? women only }

3} judiciary, council of elders{ women? women only }

In the Iroqoui Seven Nations or 7 tribes claim to be the oldest true democracy. Their male Indian chief was chosen by the women. Balance of powers.

We have the male out front as visual protector of female, but the true power may reside with the behind the scenes women.

Again, ego cuts both ways with man or woman. Male competes for females attention.

Why did american citizens allow a functioning crazy man into office? There are various reasons why those who know better did not come out to vote. Apathy? Ex..'president does'nt make any differrence'... type attitude?

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Ranvier wrote:r6, you're a wise man. All very true. This is the dilemma, we need ego for individuality to express itself otherwise we'd have a society of automatons but too much ego causes wars and pyramid wealth distribution. This is the extreme danger of imposing the global system on the world rather than people of the world coming together in consensus that unites them.
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This world is insane, therefore I must be insane...point taken :)

I'm not sure if the genetic and social differences between men and women are so clear cut. Women can be just as vicious and power hungry as men. As for the recent US elections, I called it before both candidates even announced their candidacies at get together with friends, joking that some of them will have to contemplate moving to another country, lol.
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Ranvier---This world is insane, therefore I must be insane...point taken :)
Not sure who your talking too. If responding to my comments, then, that is not at all what I meant.
I'm not sure if the genetic and social differences between men and women are so clear cut. Women can be just as vicious and power hungry as men.
Many less serial killer women then men. imho

6:1 ratio of idiot savant men to idiot savant women.

Women have activity in both hemi-spheres of brain than men

Women could not vote in U.S until early 1900's
As for the recent US elections, I called it before both candidates even announced their candidacies at get together with friends, joking that some of them will have to contemplate moving to another country, lol.
I repeatedly told my wife to be prepared if trump should win. I had many conversations with women, on-line, that, that this country would go for a black man before going for a woman and especially one with all the baggage right wing hate, the Clinton name carried.

The bottom line is still the same, the U.S. has a functioning crazy man as president--- and crazy staff ---and U.S.citizens are responsible for this nutcase being there. :--( Idiots voted in idiot and other idiots allowed this to happen.

MAD world stood fro Mutually Assured Destruction prior there being no hydrogen SAC bombers in the air 24hrs a day alert. That ended in 1991 under G Bush senior.

NUTS = Donald Trump and his team. Narcissistic Unconscionable Tactless Showman

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Sorry for misinterpreting your reply to my "alcoholic" analogy. Of course you're right that there are less women convicted of violent crimes, which could indicate that women are less prone to commit a crime or that women use their strengths other than physical prowess, using men to do the "dirty job" while they sit in the get away car. I'll refrain from stereotyping either way, claiming that gender shouldn't be a factor in decision making process in voting. Although, I do notice that many are still influenced by gender.

I also notice that people are extremely emotionally involved in things that they have very little to none influence of the outcome (ex. sports fan). Perhaps this is to maintain an illusion of control but in reality the political system is set up in such a way that average individual has as much direct "say" as with whom will be allowed to purchase a piece of land on the Moon. lmho. Many will argue that this is a good thing because the majority of the population is dumb and shouldn't be involved directly in policy making. This is arguable, especially since the elite has chosen to financially support several candidates as the "creme de la creme" out of 324 million people (well around 170 million eligible people). Such average intellectually challenged citizen is systemically made to run around in pursuit to make a living, heaving little time left to debate what to choose for today's dinner and little less of whom to vote for the next 4 years. I can only imagine the "mental cogwheels" spinning in the average citizen but it would be something as: "ok, a corrupt chick (old, basically a man) vs a mad billionaire. Well, change is good, I think...a democrat was in office for 8 years and my life sucks more than before, perhaps a republican would be good for a change? Beside, he's a billionaire so he can't be that stupid...how crazy can he be?" LMHO

-- Updated March 5th, 2017, 4:51 pm to add the following --

So they chose..."Ah screw it, my life sucks either way, let the Rome burn. At least something entertaining will happen..."

-- Updated March 16th, 2017, 3:16 pm to add the following --

The Global Socialism is inevitable...this is a lengthy conversation to validate that statement but in short, with the growing population, the Communist Socialism is the best way to control the masses. We can remain delusional in belief of our freedoms but the simple truth is, the more people are there to tell one what to do the less freedom one will have. Simple. The Botulinum and Tetanus toxins both have the same paralyzing effect despite the difference in mechanism, one will block the flow of the nerve impulses and the other will inhibit the nerve impulses by flood of over stimulation. We have the freedom of speech as long as we say the "right things", otherwise one may be prevented from expression directly or find one's "ideas" on page 56 of the search engine...lol
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It is desirable to have variety in a system: in my opinion, it is the mark of a true democracy. Regardless of the competence of the citizens and the people in power, objectivity in the social conditions of the world as a whole can be attained by a variety of points of views; such variety, invite those who do not share the same believes to revise his or her personal believes.
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I agree with you JMT. Diversity is fundamental to the health of any system. If there are systemic problems in UK or EU it will affect other countries in the world but with systemic separation no country will go bankrupt or suffer due to such complications. Globalization should be in terms of mutual cooperation not integration into a single system. People in Sri Lanka have different cultural values of those living in Cyprus, I would detest someone from Chile telling me how to live or how to think as I shouldn't impose my will on to them.
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Ranvier wrote:I agree with you JMT. Diversity is fundamental to the health of any system. If there are systemic problems in UK or EU it will affect other countries in the world but with systemic separation no country will go bankrupt or suffer due to such complications. Globalization should be in terms of mutual cooperation not integration into a single system. People in Sri Lanka have different cultural values of those living in Cyprus, I would detest someone from Chile telling me how to live or how to think as I shouldn't impose my will on to them.
Globalism is currently driven by multinational corporations. Governments are staunchly opposed to it as are just about all politicians and parties. Bottom line: ain't gonna happen... until there is a credible extraterrestrial threat.
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I hope that you're right in your "bottom line" assessment. Although, judging by the corporate influence on the US politics, this multinational corporate agenda can be much more significant in the debate on Global Politics.
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Ranvier wrote:I hope that you're right in your "bottom line" assessment. Although, judging by the corporate influence on the US politics, this multinational corporate agenda can be much more significant in the debate on Global Politics.
No doubt, though the multinationals find the current situation of marketing single "global" products to numerous markets (instead of the simpler global market) acceptable as they are making tons of money using this, admittedly less efficient protocol.
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