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Fooloso4
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Dolphin42:
Almost anything can be tuned out and regarded as background noise if it is repeated enough. But as the level of background noise increases and the signal-to-noise ratio decreases, there comes a point where anything can be done and hidden in the noise. I guess that's probably the idea.

I wonder if society will eventually learn to ignore these regular mad tweets? If their purpose is to muddy the waters and serve as a distraction then they'll have to get ever more extreme and absurd, in a kind of rant-hyper-inflation effect.
It really is difficult to figure out how to react. I am reminded of the film "Being There" where the words of a simple minded man become something much more than the words of a simple minded man. Does Trump simply lack impulse control or is it all part of an ingenious plot?

It may be that Trump himself is the diversion and focus on his antics keeps our eyes off of Bannon and the plutocrats, but as history shows a child king cannot always be successfully managed. He is a skilled con man and should not be underestimated. One important question is whether they will work together or in opposition.
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That was a great film. I don't think either of the two possible interpretations of Trump entirely fits the Chauncy Gardener character though. As I recall, his simple words about gardening were meant literally but were taken as being deep metaphors for such things as the running of the economy. Behind-the-scenes politicians finally learned the truth (that he really was just a gardener) and decided that he was, essentially, a useful idiot - a convenient front which allowed them to pull the levers of power behind the scenes. Possibly some similarities.

I too wonder which way to take Trump's Twitter tirades. On balance, I think the most likely explanation is the lack of impulse control, not the ingenious plot. The tweets about Obama and "wire-tapping", like most of his tweets, happened early in the morning. I've read that part of Trump's routine first thing in the morning is to watch the news channels that he loves and those that he loves to hate. So it seems reasonable to assume that he simply skimmed the Breitbart article, misunderstood it, spat out his orange juice in rage and reached for his iPhone.

But, as this conversation that we're having right now shows, it does also serve as a very effective way to get people talking about the whole thing and thereby allow the "no smoke without fire" card to be played. And also to distract attention from other actions. And also (as I said before) to generally raise the hysteria and noise level to dull the public's senses. So it's hard to discount the theory that it's part of a Machiavellian plot either by Trump himself, or by the Bannon types behind the scenes, or both.
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Dolphin42:
I don't think either of the two possible interpretations of Trump entirely fits the Chauncy Gardener character though.


Agreed. The comparison I was making was with how something is interpreted as something other than what it is, how someone can be given much more credit than he deserves. Trump may be simple minded but lacks Chauncey's innocence, which is a very different kind of simple mindedness. Trump’s simple mindedness is illustrated by his comment that no one knew how complicated healthcare is. I think he was genuinely surprised. I suspect he experienced the same surprise when he realized that being president is complicated.
So it's hard to discount the theory that it's part of a Machiavellian plot either by Trump himself, or by the Bannon types behind the scenes, or both.
This might be giving him too much credit. After all, when a guilty child attempts to take attention away from himself by pointing at someone else, we do not call it a Machiavellian plot. But then again, we do not credit the child with being the kind of con artist that Trump is. Perhaps there is a connection - he is simply doing what he successfully did as a spoiled child of privilege who never learned impulse control but learned how to use impulse as a weapon.
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Dolphin42 wrote:That was a great film. I don't think either of the two possible interpretations of Trump entirely fits the Chauncy Gardener character though. As I recall, his simple words about gardening were meant literally but were taken as being deep metaphors for such things as the running of the economy. Behind-the-scenes politicians finally learned the truth (that he really was just a gardener) and decided that he was, essentially, a useful idiot - a convenient front which allowed them to pull the levers of power behind the scenes. Possibly some similarities.

I too wonder which way to take Trump's Twitter tirades. On balance, I think the most likely explanation is the lack of impulse control, not the ingenious plot. The tweets about Obama and "wire-tapping", like most of his tweets, happened early in the morning. I've read that part of Trump's routine first thing in the morning is to watch the news channels that he loves and those that he loves to hate. So it seems reasonable to assume that he simply skimmed the Breitbart article, misunderstood it, spat out his orange juice in rage and reached for his iPhone.

But, as this conversation that we're having right now shows, it does also serve as a very effective way to get people talking about the whole thing and thereby allow the "no smoke without fire" card to be played. And also to distract attention from other actions. And also (as I said before) to generally raise the hysteria and noise level to dull the public's senses. So it's hard to discount the theory that it's part of a Machiavellian plot either by Trump himself, or by the Bannon types behind the scenes, or both.
Its simply a counter plot to a plot. Tweeting gets the mainstream media to address the story of 'wiretapping' because tweets go over the editors heads. Obviously Trump is listened in on because it has already been shown that Flynn was listened in on. Trump's team is merely being strategic against the communist media and communist Obama. It is war.

-- Updated March 8th, 2017, 10:56 am to add the following --

.........and the communist impregnated CIA.

-- Updated March 8th, 2017, 11:54 am to add the following --

"Obviously Trump is listened in on because it has already been shown that Flynn was listened in on", in violation of the Espionage Act, by the way.
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Fooloso4:
Trump’s simple mindedness is illustrated by his comment that no one knew how complicated healthcare is. I think he was genuinely surprised. I suspect he experienced the same surprise when he realized that being president is complicated.
Yes, when I heard that one it became particularly difficult to believe that the whole Mr Stupid thing is an act. The most likely explanation for an astounding comment like that does seem to be that, as a spoiled child all his life, he simply didn't realize that being leader of the most powerful country on Earth would be difficult and complicated. After spending months shouting about what a disaster Obamacare is and how he was going to replace it with something beautiful, I almost felt sorry for him in his moment of naive honesty when he admitted that it's not actually as simple as that. Of course, the good thing about being Trump is that the moment can soon be forgotten and you can go back to shouting simplistic fairy tales again. A strange, strange world must exist inside that man's head.
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Fooloso4:
On the subject of crying wolf: Trump’s tweeted accusation that Obama wiretapped him. This is wrong on so many levels and further evidence that the man is not fit to hold office.
I've found in the past that this place seems to be pretty fair and non-partisan:

factcheck.org/2017/03/examining-trumps- ... tap-claim/

It does seem like the most likely explanation for these tweets is a tendency to knee-jerk reactions, a massive tendency to confirmation bias and an inability or unwillingness to assimilate anything more than very, very simple information - probably just headlines. As the factcheck article points out, the media sources that are cited as the sources of the information that Obama "wiretapped" Trump during the campaign don't actually say anything of the sort. They talk about the FBI seeking FISA warrants.

So, if Trump's angry attacks are driven by headlines presumably we can expect a continuous stream of them for the next 4 years. As has already been pointed out, it will probably be impossible to get excited about them for that long so eventually the world will learn to tune them out and ignore them (even if we on this site won't!). They'll become another part of the background internet chatter.

As has also already been observed here, it's still difficult to judge the extent to which these regular rants are simply what they appear to be or are part of a deliberate policy. Maybe somewhere in between.
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Steve3007 wrote:

As has also already been observed here, it's still difficult to judge the extent to which these regular rants are simply what they appear to be or are part of a deliberate policy. Maybe somewhere in between.
A quick break in to the masturbation circle-jerk conversation here (not expecting any direct reply from the CJ club members), but yeah, it will be a "deliberate" policy (strategy) of counter-punching Trump. It is obviously working as it is causing the releasing of the hounds and will be exposing the hound's handlers.

Consider Jeff Bezos who bought The Washington Post for $250,000,000 and then very soon after was paid $600,000,000 by the CIA, for cloud operations using Bezos's Am@zon company (can't use the letter a because this site blocks it thinking it is an ad). Then recently, lo and behold, the Wash-Post hire pedophile-ring commander, John Podesta (yes, Obama's master), most likely on the orders of the CIA, so that Podesta gains journalist privileges which allows him to get to see into aspects of any official investigations of him, giving him more of a chance to either run or create a defense tactic.

This is one example of how thick the intelligence community, under Obama, has been with certain mainstream media.

Ok. Back to your circle now, boys.

-- Updated March 8th, 2017, 11:06 pm to add the following --

CIA project 'UMBRAGE' (Their, CIA, method of masking CIA hacking by making it look like Russian hacker's methods)

WikiLeaks says it acquired the documents from a source who wished to propel a debate about whether CIA’s hacking capabilities exceed the agency's legal powers. If authentic, the documents appear to show that the CIA's hacking division has developed software that enables the agency to break into smartphones, computers and even turn Internet-connected televisions into microphones.

The documents also suggest that one of the agency’s divisions – the Remote Development Branch’s UMBRAGE Group – may have been cataloging hacking methods from outside hackers, including in Russia, that would have allowed the agency to mask their identity by employing the method during espionage.

“With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types, but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the ‘fingerprints’ of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from,” Wikileaks said in a statement.
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What the CIA{ Captialisms Invisible Army } can do is old news. The introduction of cyber code into Iran nuclear program to burn centrifuges opened the door to cyber apocalypse on Earth.

Trumpism--- naccistisc, pathological lying, nutcase,---- has surrounded himself with other conspiracy based nutcases that want to destroy U.S. government.

Anybody who does not see that is denial. Ex many republicans, but not all.

Talk about mindless sheep being blind to truth and following lead sheep over a cliff.........

Sheep Story
...r6....

We are sheep,
We have no mind,
Sniff sheep ass,
Follow in a line.

We are sheep,
Got no free will,
Just shave my hide,
To give yourself a frill.

We are sheep,
All wooly and soft,
Trapped by a fence,
Yet we don't scoff.

We are sheep,
Blind to truth,
Follow the commands,
Of a human named Ruth.

We are sheep,
We dont deny,
New positronic brain,
No need to cry.

We don't dream,
We don't chase cars,
Just empty biologicals,
Staring at the stars.
"U"niverse > UniVerse > universe > I-verse < you-verse < we-verse < them-verse
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Rr6 wrote:What the CIA{ Captialisms Invisible Army } can do is old news. The introduction of cyber code into Iran nuclear program to burn centrifuges opened the door to cyber apocalypse on Earth.

Trumpism--- naccistisc, pathological lying, nutcase,---- has surrounded himself with other conspiracy based nutcases that want to destroy U.S. government.
"Consider Jeff Bezos who bought The Washington Post for $250,000,000 and then very soon after was paid $600,000,000 by the CIA, for cloud operations using Bezos's Am@zon company" is fact.

CIA Project UMBRAGE is fact.

Trumps has the same enemy that the vast majority of humanity has. The CIA.

The actual sheep never believed the CIA, but once Trump runs for president these same sheep decide what the CIA says about Trump is suddenly believable.

-- Updated March 16th, 2017, 12:30 pm to add the following --

The New York Times OCT. 1, 2016 'Donald Trump Tax Records Show He Could Have Avoided Taxes for Nearly Two Decades, The Times Found'

So MSNBC just produced Trump's tax returns for 2005. He paid $38,000,000 of $150,000,000. I could have sworn that 2005 was well within being 20 years ago.

Oh, and at a rate of 25%. 'Socialist' Bernie Sanders paid tax at 13%.

FAKE NEWS, NYT!

-- Updated March 19th, 2017, 7:19 pm to add the following --
Dolphin42 wrote:
On the subject of crying wolf: Trump’s tweeted accusation that Obama wiretapped him.
This is wrong on so many levels and further evidence that the man is not fit to hold office.
Almost anything can be tuned out and regarded as background noise if it is repeated enough. But as the level of background noise increases and the signal-to-noise ratio decreases, there comes a point where anything can be done and hidden in the noise. I guess that's probably the idea.

I wonder if society will eventually learn to ignore these regular mad tweets? If their purpose is to muddy the waters and serve as a distraction then they'll have to get ever more extreme and absurd, in a kind of rant-hyper-inflation effect.
I can think of a constant noise far more mad than a Trump tweet. "Putin colluded with Trump to steal the election!"
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