Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
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Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/ ... o-islamic/
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Why are liberals and leftists always defending Islam?
They have nothing but scorn for Christians who oppose the LGBT agenda. But Muslims oppose the LGBT agenda even more. To the point, in many Islamic countries, of killing gays.
Feminists attack Christianity for its alleged mistreatment of women. But Islam treats women far, far worse than anything seen in the West.
Similarly, Muslims in general support traditional sexual morality and oppose abortion. And, unlike Christians, in Islamic countries, they would likely punish the leftists who are agreeing with them for their secularism and unbelief.
When a terrorist turns out to be a Muslim, those on the left make a point of saying that we shouldn’t blame all Muslims, which is true enough. And yet when a Christian does something that offends them, they don’t make the same caution against over-generalization about Christianity. Indeed, they often tar all Christians with the same brush.
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Re: Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
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Why?
Many, not all, bleeding hearts are not practical. They project and extend their own values on to others – whether or not “the other” wants it. The thinking goes – if I want others to treat me with respect and tolerance – I have to extend respect and tolerance to them. This is the idea of the golden rule – a good premise – most of the time. However, should I love and respect the man with a machete attempting to cut my head off? No – I think not.
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Re: Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
I and many others are deemed "left wing", seemingly because we haven't let ourselves join the new ranks of psychopathic drones being mentally conditioned for war. Yet, being (purportedly) of the left I have no time at all for Islam, or defending anything but the Muslim individuals I have met and liked. Otherwise I just see Islam as superstitious, misogynist, bigoted, repressive, aggressive, like a more extreme version of Christian fundamentalism.
The two sides are at war and each are drawing secularist supporters by drawing the conflict as "defence of culture". I say a pox on both of their Abrahamic houses and their ongoing feuds that have lasted for millennia, off and on.
The reason why some reactionary left wingers rebel against anything that the right hates? Because they are reactionaries, too excited about their domestic squabbles to notice that there is a bigger picture. Ditto Trump and Trumpism. Ditto this whole Abrahamic feud - two insane groups going at it, drawing in secularists to choose a side who are too blinkered or dumb to realise that they are being conscripted by superstitious maniacs.
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Re: Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
Ideally, it is preferable for you to love and respect the man trying to take your head off, even as you take his head off in self defense. It's just really hard.Woodart wrote:However, should I love and respect the man with a machete attempting to cut my head off? No – I think not.
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Re: Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
JamesOfSeattle wrote: It's just really hard.
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I would say - more than really hard.
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Re: Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
Absolutely. The OP is not just attacking a straw man, it's attacking a caricature of a straw man.Greta wrote:That is a horrible and wildly incorrect generalisation, Spec.
I and many others are deemed "left wing", seemingly because we haven't let ourselves join the new ranks of psychopathic drones being mentally conditioned for war. Yet, being (purportedly) of the left I have no time at all for Islam, or defending anything but the Muslim individuals I have met and liked. Otherwise I just see Islam as superstitious, misogynist, bigoted, repressive, aggressive, like a more extreme version of Christian fundamentalism.
The two sides are at war and each are drawing secularist supporters by drawing the conflict as "defence of culture". I say a pox on both of their Abrahamic houses and their ongoing feuds that have lasted for millennia, off and on.
The reason why some reactionary left wingers rebel against anything that the right hates? Because they are reactionaries, too excited about their domestic squabbles to notice that there is a bigger picture. Ditto Trump and Trumpism. Ditto this whole Abrahamic feud - two insane groups going at it, drawing in secularists to choose a side who are too blinkered or dumb to realise that they are being conscripted by superstitious maniacs.
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Re: Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
Remember that when you are criticizing Islam, no one in Muslim majority countries will hear you. Instead the one who get the criticism are the mostly poor, uneducated muslim minorities in christian-dominated countries.
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What? Like most people I deplore bigotry, whoever is promoting it, don't you?Why are liberals and leftists always defending Islam?
They have nothing but scorn for Christians who oppose the LGBT agenda. But Muslims oppose the LGBT agenda even more. To the point, in many Islamic countries, of killing gays.
These are generalisations, and there's actually a nuanced discussion to be had about the different ways women's sexuality is treated by different cultures, but it does concern me when religion is used to oppress women, whatever religion, where-ever it's happening. Where I live religion isn't much of a threat to my rights, I wish this was true for everybody and condemn it when it's not. Dom't you?Feminists attack Christianity for its alleged mistreatment of women. But Islam treats women far, far worse than anything seen in the West.
Similarly, Muslims in general support traditional sexual morality and oppose abortion. And, unlike Christians, in Islamic countries, they would likely punish the leftists who are agreeing with them for their secularism and unbelief.
Eh? I don't, do you?When a terrorist turns out to be a Muslim, those on the left make a point of saying that we shouldn’t blame all Muslims, which is true enough. And yet when a Christian does something that offends them, they don’t make the same caution against over-generalization about Christianity. Indeed, they often tar all Christians with the same brush.
Sorry but you're just echoing unhelpful stereotypes this Christian apologist is using to defend his own religion against criticism, while he ironically complains that Liberal Lefties 'often tar all Christians with the same brush'.
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Re: Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
Spectrum wrote:Here is an extract from the following article;
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/ ... o-islamic/
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Why are liberals and leftists always defending Islam?
They have nothing but scorn for Christians who oppose the LGBT agenda. But Muslims oppose the LGBT agenda even more. To the point, in many Islamic countries, of killing gays.
Feminists attack Christianity for its alleged mistreatment of women. But Islam treats women far, far worse than anything seen in the West.
Similarly, Muslims in general support traditional sexual morality and oppose abortion. And, unlike Christians, in Islamic countries, they would likely punish the leftists who are agreeing with them for their secularism and unbelief.
When a terrorist turns out to be a Muslim, those on the left make a point of saying that we shouldn’t blame all Muslims, which is true enough. And yet when a Christian does something that offends them, they don’t make the same caution against over-generalization about Christianity. Indeed, they often tar all Christians with the same brush.
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Why?
You would probably regard me as a horrible liberal leftie if you met me. I am most certainly opposed to all the nasty, dictatorial, bigotted religions, including those versions of Islam that are misogynistic, homophobic etc., rather like the vile Christian sects who pursue the same agenda. I am also an atheist so don't in general support religion at all but I do recognise that for many ordinary people it provides a decent and supportive social club, so I wouldn't ban it.
Basically this post is just an escapee from the alt-right echo chamber. It bears no resemblance to the real world.
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Re: Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
So people on the left tend to want freedom of expression, people on the right tend to want a form of censored expression. I think this is generally true – so what does it mean? It means lefties want everyone to have their point of view expressed - even views from the far right. Do people on the right want freedom of expression? No – they do not. Is Islam a tolerant religion? No – it is not.
So the original question is:
Why are liberals and leftists always defending Islam?
The answer is because they want freedom of expression. Do lefties like Islam? I would venture to say most do not. Why, because Islam is a right wing religion. However, there is a kind of blindness with many liberal thinkers because they no nothing or very little about the principles of Islam. They have never studied it. Why?
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Re: Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
I agree it is a generalization [a fallacy]. I guess it is because there is one group that is very noisy and aggressive.Greta wrote:That is a horrible and wildly incorrect generalisation, Spec.
I and many others are deemed "left wing", seemingly because we haven't let ourselves join the new ranks of psychopathic drones being mentally conditioned for war. Yet, being (purportedly) of the left I have no time at all for Islam, or defending anything but the Muslim individuals I have met and liked. Otherwise I just see Islam as superstitious, misogynist, bigoted, repressive, aggressive, like a more extreme version of Christian fundamentalism.
The two sides are at war and each are drawing secularist supporters by drawing the conflict as "defence of culture". I say a pox on both of their Abrahamic houses and their ongoing feuds that have lasted for millennia, off and on.
The reason why some reactionary left wingers rebel against anything that the right hates? Because they are reactionaries, too excited about their domestic squabbles to notice that there is a bigger picture. Ditto Trump and Trumpism. Ditto this whole Abrahamic feud - two insane groups going at it, drawing in secularists to choose a side who are too blinkered or dumb to realise that they are being conscripted by superstitious maniacs.
This why some of the left are redefining themselves as the Progressive Left as opposed to the very noisy and aggressive 'regressive left'.
What I find disturbing with this regressive left is their drive and desperations to stop all sort of expressions, and critiques of Islam when it is Islam-in-part that would not hesitate to kill and rape them wherever the opportunity arise for SOME Muslims to do it in the name of Islam.
Another point is there are NOT many [except a few] on the left who are condemning the stupidity of these regressive left.
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Have you noticed moderates on any "side" - left, right, Islamic, Christian - going public and criticising their extreme elements? Yes, of course it happens at times but, as you suggest, it's not the norm.Spectrum wrote:What I find disturbing with this regressive left is their drive and desperations to stop all sort of expressions, and critiques of Islam when it is Islam-in-part that would not hesitate to kill and rape them wherever the opportunity arise for SOME Muslims to do it in the name of Islam.
Another point is there are NOT many [except a few] on the left who are condemning the stupidity of these regressive left.
I get the feeling that silent moderates figure that the "other side" already do enough of that critique. When I attended an anti Iraq invasion rally I was annoyed at the exhibitionist presence of the Socialist Alliance. Needless to say that they were the media magnets while the quarter billion "dull" protesters like me who simply cared about the issue were not of interest to the paparazzi. If they'd been hired by John Howard himself the Socialist Alliance couldn't have done a better job of undermining the efforts of the moderates at the protest. So the government had an easy excuse to toss us aside and the compliant right-dominated media did the invasion cheerleading and, before long, Howard was popular again.
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Re: Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
You have answered your own question.Spectrum wrote: ..........
Why are liberals and leftists always defending Islam?
When a terrorist turns out to be a Muslim, those on the left make a point of saying that we shouldn’t blame all Muslims, which is true enough.
To blame 'Islam' would be to blame all Muslims. That would be wrong in the same way as blaming 'blacks' in general for anything a black person does.
If that was the case it would be equally wrong.And yet when a Christian does something that offends them, they don’t make the same caution against over-generalization about Christianity. Indeed, they often tar all Christians with the same brush.
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Re: Why is the left so sympathetic to Islam?
Many have already pointed out the overly simplistic generalizations in this post but there is actually a kernel of a real issue here. Namely that those who promote a policy of tolerance will tolerate those who disagree with them. The opposite is also true: there are those who don't care as much about process, they care more about outcomes. For the outcome driven, ideas like fairness are less important, it is more about promoting those of a similar bent to move closer to the outcome of their choosing. Two different ways of looking at the universe. One is clearly more efficient than the other, which is why the world is the way that it is right now.Spectrum wrote:Here is an extract from the following article;
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/ ... o-islamic/
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Why are liberals and leftists always defending Islam?
They have nothing but scorn for Christians who oppose the LGBT agenda. But Muslims oppose the LGBT agenda even more. To the point, in many Islamic countries, of killing gays.
Feminists attack Christianity for its alleged mistreatment of women. But Islam treats women far, far worse than anything seen in the West.
Similarly, Muslims in general support traditional sexual morality and oppose abortion. And, unlike Christians, in Islamic countries, they would likely punish the leftists who are agreeing with them for their secularism and unbelief.
When a terrorist turns out to be a Muslim, those on the left make a point of saying that we shouldn’t blame all Muslims, which is true enough. And yet when a Christian does something that offends them, they don’t make the same caution against over-generalization about Christianity. Indeed, they often tar all Christians with the same brush.
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Why?
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