Is The End Of Monetarism On The Horizon?

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So you favour a theistic revolution against the secular west?
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Singular_me wrote:Thank for sharing but darwnism is the absolute dead end as it is an atheistic premise that justifies moral relativism. And at this game, there are no winners.
You are presupposing that darwinism is somehow a social construct. While some politicians and even business people think it is...

... it isn't.

It's a biological one.

As well, it never meant "survival of the fittest". It meant - and continues to mean - that those who are able to adapt best to local conditions are the ones that will pass on their genes to the next generation, thereby passing on those traits that gave them that adaptive ability.
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Singular_me:
The global debt is 5 times (but more if we include long term liabilities) the global GDP. With long-term liabilities... could be 3 times as much. Take the US for example:whose national debt is about 20trillion but with long term liabilities is about 100 trillions of dollars! (Dallas federal reserve report 5 or 6 years ago)
With your 20 years of experience in writing about economics, could you explain why this matters? Given that money is an entirely abstract concept, why does it matter that one very large number is 5 times bigger than another very large number?

The practical use of money is to facilitate the free exchange of goods and services. Food is, I suppose, the most important of these. Is the USA capable of growing enough food to feed its population? Does the level of debt have an effect on its ability to do this? If so, how?
Did you know that the 2008 crisis costs the west $75 trillion in "new" debts to save the "too big too fail"? China debt is too ballooning, corporations are debt black holes and polluting the planet at the speed of light for profits... and on and on...
Here, you suddenly introduce a different, more tangible problem. Why conflate pollution with debt?
The fact is that the whole planet is on the brink of starvation because govs borrow as if are no tomorrows, creating scarcity by inflation.
What do you mean by "brink" here? Do you mean that the whole planet is going to start starving tomorrow? Next year? In ten years? What's your timescale?
Most people are not well informed... suffering skyrockets, child sex trafficking and human/organ trafficking is at all time, the 3rd leading cause of death in america is bigpharma and the medical department (huffingtonpost)

Millions of yemenis are dying because the US/UK sold weapons to saudi arabia, 100 billion worth of arm deal. Moral relativism is another darwinian scourge

I really could go on and on...
Yes, I'm sure you could. You're randomly throwing in various other ills of the world. I'll leave it there for now.
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> And no, the planet is not on the brink of starvation. That's simply empirically incorrect. Fact is, there is more than enough food to go around. The problem lies with distribution corruption and conflict, most of which is rooted in religion. Even Oxfam agrees. There is enough food to feed the world
actually, I have a blog on my site that I cannot post here because i am a new member and which states that we waste 50% of the word food production, meaning that there is indeed enough food to feed the whole planet. But that does not mean that it can be resolved, mainly because of speculation creating conflicts of interests.

What you do not understand is economics, scarcity is ***artificially** induced by countries' debt level and the ensuing inflation. Just look at Venezuela,

To give you an idea, the US dollar is worth 2 cents as I type this, so 98 cents in taxes and inflation. So it might make one wonder about the real price of living. Sorry, this is economic feudalism. Mathematically. And burying one's head into the sand will not postpone the day of reckoning.

Nope, this time is different, because jobs will not come back, the rise of automation and robotics is on our doorstep. Universal basic income will not save anybody, we'll go straight into an orweillian and hunger game society. In 10 years or so from now, we'll have 60-70% of unemployment. But it wont stop there... it is only a beginning.

With basic income will come rationing because basic income will be minimalist amount just enough to go by, rest assured.

The problem is that societies have been trained to think "linear or circular", then an upheaval happens because the paradigm can no longer expand. But this time, it is going to be very profound because masses have not been prepared to what is coming. They already knew in the early 80s that the labor market would vanish and nothing was done. Follow the money. Profits must be extracted till the end???

Wealth is an illusion
Scribbler60 You are presupposing that darwinism is somehow a social construct. While some politicians and even business people think it is...... it isn't. It's a biological one.
Man is not an animal... animals cannot fathom the cosmos nor project themselves into the future, nor have a concept of self. There is no debate if we do not agree on this. There also are Natural Law, immutable laws embedded in the fabric of Universe that we must go by to avoid the pitfalls of the animal kingdom. The only free will that exist is to notice or not....

Greta So you favour a theistic revolution against the secular west?
Voluntaryism advocates on the merging of metaphysics and sciences, Objective Reality (no moral relativism)... all current religions are obsolete, they say many truths but the interpretation of parables can be twisted, and causes fundamentalism. Many people have become spiritual as a result and it is a good thing.
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Here, you suddenly introduce a different, more tangible problem. Why conflate pollution with debt?
because corporations took over the world with massive loans and now destroy the environment to satisfy their shareholders. Follow the money as usual


TO ALL: thanks but I am done for now.
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we waste 50% of the world food production
I have no idea whether this is efficient or inefficient. On the face of it, it seems pretty efficient. I should think figure was probably much higher in the past. But I don't know. And I don't know what maximum level of food efficiency is possible.
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Volunaryism sounds like a good idea. It's a shame no society seems to have ever adopted it. There's always big fish in the pond who take control because they can, and always those who would take advantage of any honour system.
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The problem with monetarism is, that money is the objective that religion was never capable to represent. It has a more metaphysical span in it's invention than one could think. The spreading of money was in older times equivalent with the spreading at least of sparks of your religion. Money is the device to keep some kind of interdependency between different people and is the primary measurement to establish some kind of master and servant relationship , which would be without it's simple presence not possible. Money itself is after the philosopher marx condensed workers power but it has even a bigger interpretation. It is too condensed informational power to be connected to other people and it is a social power of pacifiying more or less radical physical power. An abolishment of the device money is thus somehow illusional even if a social state represents more aspects of finance than usual.

-- Updated November 28th, 2017, 3:50 am to add the following --

If you don't believe that money has something to do with religion just think about jesus christ and his famous words:

In Luke 16:13 is standing:

No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.”
In other bible editions this is quoted nobody can serve god as well as mammon (the assur god of money).


So money is taken in this verse as a different god, with equal powers.

-- Updated November 28th, 2017, 6:27 am to add the following --

For it is written in the Bible, for Jesus said:

Matthew 10 Verse 8:

Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

So your belief would have been not putten on the basis of monetary funds in the bible.

-- Updated November 28th, 2017, 6:27 am to add the following --

The word freely , means without monetary donations.

-- Updated November 28th, 2017, 6:32 am to add the following --

In a german bible the same verse is standing:

For free you have been teached it, for free you shalt proclaim it.

-- Updated November 28th, 2017, 6:45 am to add the following --

In german:

Umsonst habt Ihr es bekommen, umsonst sollt Ihr verkünden.

So the existence of exploitation on a monetary basis was the work of the god money or mammon (assur god of wealth).

-- Updated November 28th, 2017, 6:59 am to add the following --

For the bhagavad gita , tells us in Book4, verse 23:

For one who is unattached to material nature, who is liberated, whose heart is situated in transcendence, who performs all actions as sacrifice unto the ultimate personality all reactions are dissolved.

-- Updated November 28th, 2017, 9:09 am to add the following --

So one easily arguments, god cannot exist, due to the fact that monetarism is existent. Quod erat demonstrandum
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I refer as well to the following bible verse. Mathew 21, Verse 12. In which is standing:

11The crowds replied, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” 12Then Jesus went into the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those selling doves. 13And He declared to them, “It is written: ‘My house will be called a house of prayer.’ But you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”14The blind and the lame came to Him at the temple, and He healed them. 15But the chief priests and scribes were indignant when they saw the wonders He did and the children shouting in the temple courts, “Hosanna to the Son of David!”
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Jesus complained about the greed of people in matthew 25,verse 29:

29For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 30And throw that worthless servant into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Where he denounced limitless exploitation.
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