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Dlaw, in today's political climate, it is companies involved with weed that will be the main influence on governments. What individuals think is no longer relevant; I found that out when Prime Minister John Howard dismissed marches, the largest being a quarter of a million, with one airy line in the 6 o'clock news "people are entitled to hold different opinions".

Thus, the will of the people were ignored, Australia joined the US and UK in the invasion of a sovereign country and I learned that the dynamics changed without anyone realising it, with governments only actually representing corporations. Governments' utilitarian instincts have been mislead, treating corporations as though they represent multiple people, which is only partially true ...
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Greta wrote: February 24th, 2018, 4:24 pm Dlaw, in today's political climate, it is companies involved with weed that will be the main influence on governments. What individuals think is no longer relevant; I found that out when Prime Minister John Howard dismissed marches, the largest being a quarter of a million, with one airy line in the 6 o'clock news "people are entitled to hold different opinions".

Thus, the will of the people were ignored, Australia joined the US and UK in the invasion of a sovereign country and I learned that the dynamics changed without anyone realising it, with governments only actually representing corporations. Governments' utilitarian instincts have been mislead, treating corporations as though they represent multiple people, which is only partially true ...
Yep, this rings true with me... such a shame.
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I'm philosophical about it, jer. What organisations are doing to individuals is what humanity did to other species. Simply, we humans have always known dominance and now we are experiencing what it's like to be outclassed. I suggest going for the ride and staying interested rather than despairing. My entire life people have despaired about the state of the world, and I've done much despairing about it myself.

I today find such powerless despair as a waste of the fact that - even if it doesn't seem like it - we humans and other life forms (and geological forms, for that matter) are really quite extraordinary and fascinating in every facet, with endless depths, and there is an incredible amount to appreciate that we let go by for "practicality's" sake.

These corporations, which I believe are physical part of what will be general AI (containing all recorded corporate knowledge and coordinating resources), are extraordinary things too. They are truly more - and less - than the sum of their parts. That's why it's unbalanced for politicians to treat corporations as though they represents their human constituents, when they actually represent a abstract informational structure with particular aims and goals that are exclusively its own, not those of its people, certainly not once they have outlived their usefulness.

So survival in the 21st century and beyond will largely depend on how useful one is deemed to be to corporations. To that ened, we might expect further trends towards conformity and particularity regarding the definition of what comprises a "good citizen".

This, ironically, should ultimately favour the legalisation of weed in the general public, but also corporate rigour to ensure non-creative workers are clean and work-ready. I think of it as an amalgam of Brave New World and 1984 - the redundant masses, superseded by automation, will stay quiet with "Soma"/weed. Millions of redundant people, not despairing at their inability to work or angry about their displacement, but chilling out, thinking beautiful thoughts about the nature of reality, gaming, surfing and watching TV - with all of these activities being monitored, recorded, databased, processed and used as part of the body of knowledge for corporate decision-making.

It's hard to imagine authorities remaining blind to this possibility forever. It's a logical path to human digitisation in coming centuries (or millennia?).
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I could never understand why people would even entertain the idea of people using marijuana for except genuine medical reasons. I can only surmise that most users are in serious need of a life.
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Greta wrote: February 24th, 2018, 6:14 pm I'm philosophical about it, jer. What organisations are doing to individuals is what humanity did to other species. Simply, we humans have always known dominance and now we are experiencing what it's like to be outclassed. I suggest going for the ride and staying interested rather than despairing. My entire life people have despaired about the state of the world, and I've done much despairing about it myself.

I today find such powerless despair as a waste of the fact that - even if it doesn't seem like it - we humans and other life forms (and geological forms, for that matter) are really quite extraordinary and fascinating in every facet, with endless depths, and there is an incredible amount to appreciate that we let go by for "practicality's" sake.

These corporations, which I believe are physical part of what will be general AI (containing all recorded corporate knowledge and coordinating resources), are extraordinary things too. They are truly more - and less - than the sum of their parts. That's why it's unbalanced for politicians to treat corporations as though they represents their human constituents, when they actually represent a abstract informational structure with particular aims and goals that are exclusively its own, not those of its people, certainly not once they have outlived their usefulness.

So survival in the 21st century and beyond will largely depend on how useful one is deemed to be to corporations. To that ened, we might expect further trends towards conformity and particularity regarding the definition of what comprises a "good citizen".

This, ironically, should ultimately favour the legalisation of weed in the general public, but also corporate rigour to ensure non-creative workers are clean and work-ready. I think of it as an amalgam of Brave New World and 1984 - the redundant masses, superseded by automation, will stay quiet with "Soma"/weed. Millions of redundant people, not despairing at their inability to work or angry about their displacement, but chilling out, thinking beautiful thoughts about the nature of reality, gaming, surfing and watching TV - with all of these activities being monitored, recorded, databased, processed and used as part of the body of knowledge for corporate decision-making.

It's hard to imagine authorities remaining blind to this possibility forever. It's a logical path to human digitisation in coming centuries (or millennia?).
The first step to any cure is recognition of the condition. Does that make sense to you?
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Dark Matter wrote: February 24th, 2018, 6:37 pm I could never understand why people would even entertain the idea of people using marijuana for except genuine medical reasons. I can only surmise that most users are in serious need of a life.
Do you also find it hard to understand why people use alcohol?
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jer, I don't see what is happening as a "condition", an illness. Rather, it looks more like a metamorphosis because the current order is not only being broken down, but a new and more complex and powerful order is replacing it. This is true to form for the Earth, but not safe for its denizens when these transitions occur.

DM, could you define this "life" that one is supposed to "get"? (jer made a fair point about booze too).

People do different things because they are compelled to do them, as you do, as I do. Why are we compelled to do different things? Different genetics, parenting and other life experiences, and the synergies between those things.

BTW, your post sounds like something my Dad would say while complaining over the morning paper about kids "injecting marijuana and smoking heroin" (true).
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Greta wrote: February 24th, 2018, 6:45 pm jer, I don't see what is happening as a "condition", an illness. Rather, it looks more like a metamorphosis because the current order is not only being broken down, but a new and more complex and powerful order is replacing it. This is true to form for the Earth, but not safe for its denizens when these transitions occur.
Well... what is a condition? A condition is simply a state of something, it doesn't mean anything unless you have something so compare it with. If you want to fortune tell and project our destination based upon what you may interpret as evolution then you might be more inclusive in your conditional analysis.
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jerlands wrote: February 24th, 2018, 6:42 pm
Dark Matter wrote: February 24th, 2018, 6:37 pm I could never understand why people would even entertain the idea of people using marijuana for except genuine medical reasons. I can only surmise that most users are in serious need of a life.
Do you also find it hard to understand why people use alcohol?
I find it impossible to understand why people would drink just to get drunk -- and I've seen a lot of that.
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jerlands wrote: February 24th, 2018, 7:07 pm
Greta wrote: February 24th, 2018, 6:45 pm jer, I don't see what is happening as a "condition", an illness. Rather, it looks more like a metamorphosis because the current order is not only being broken down, but a new and more complex and powerful order is replacing it. This is true to form for the Earth, but not safe for its denizens when these transitions occur.
Well... what is a condition? A condition is simply a state of something, it doesn't mean anything unless you have something so compare it with. If you want to fortune tell and project our destination based upon what you may interpret as evolution then you might be more inclusive in your conditional analysis.
For the sake of semantics and clarity, I'd use "state", which is not something that one might diagnose.

We have four billion years of changes on the Earth which can be used for comparison purposes. The biosphere is simply restructuring - no fortune telling required, no need for inclusions of exclusions. All one needs to do is notice that change at present is exceptionally rapid and that natural systems are increasingly being replaced by technological ones.

I am neither blind to, nor immune from, the angst that you and others feel about "the way things are at the moment". However, after years of obsessive thought about our existential situation, I now simply trust the Earth - nature - to follow its tracks and I include humans as subject and controlled systems within the larger systems of the planet.

My perspective is that what humans are doing is what nature is doing which is what the Earth is doing. We are neither separate, nor in control but are compelled - although we like to think we are in control - by the interaction of environment with natural social dynamics, which humans have extrapolated on but not escaped. In trusting nature, I do not assume that all will work out. Sometimes it doesn't, but there appears a strong possibility that, while disaster will certainly befall many of the least fortunate of our 7.5 billion people at some stage this century, parts of some societies will not only survive, but will most likely continue to progress apace.

As for my pot legislation "fortune telling" I simply pointed to the obvious opportunities in restructuring societies that the powers-that-be cannot fail to notice at some point.
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Greta wrote: February 24th, 2018, 6:45 pm
DM, could you define this "life" that one is supposed to "get"? (jer made a fair point about booze too).
Appreciation of life without getting "high."
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Dark Matter wrote: February 24th, 2018, 8:41 pm
jerlands wrote: February 24th, 2018, 6:42 pm
Do you also find it hard to understand why people use alcohol?
I find it impossible to understand why people would drink just to get drunk -- and I've seen a lot of that.
Drinking alcohol does not equate to drunk but yes, it can lead to that state which is more dangerous than getting high on marijuana. The question however is the motivation which you seem to be unable to grasp.
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Greta wrote: February 24th, 2018, 8:46 pm
jerlands wrote: February 24th, 2018, 7:07 pm

Well... what is a condition? A condition is simply a state of something, it doesn't mean anything unless you have something so compare it with. If you want to fortune tell and project our destination based upon what you may interpret as evolution then you might be more inclusive in your conditional analysis.
For the sake of semantics and clarity, I'd use "state", which is not something that one might diagnose.

We have four billion years of changes on the Earth which can be used for comparison purposes. The biosphere is simply restructuring - no fortune telling required, no need for inclusions of exclusions. All one needs to do is notice that change at present is exceptionally rapid and that natural systems are increasingly being replaced by technological ones.

I am neither blind to, nor immune from, the angst that you and others feel about "the way things are at the moment". However, after years of obsessive thought about our existential situation, I now simply trust the Earth - nature - to follow its tracks and I include humans as subject and controlled systems within the larger systems of the planet.

My perspective is that what humans are doing is what nature is doing which is what the Earth is doing. We are neither separate, nor in control but are compelled - although we like to think we are in control - by the interaction of environment with natural social dynamics, which humans have extrapolated on but not escaped. In trusting nature, I do not assume that all will work out. Sometimes it doesn't, but there appears a strong possibility that, while disaster will certainly befall many of the least fortunate of our 7.5 billion people at some stage this century, parts of some societies will not only survive, but will most likely continue to progress apace.

As for my pot legislation "fortune telling" I simply pointed to the obvious opportunities in restructuring societies that the powers-that-be cannot fail to notice at some point.
I'm trying to grasp what you seem to be implying but for the life of me I don't see myself compressed into digitized bits. As for pot legislature.. I believe in education which gives man the ability to make informed decisions and without which we are compelled to oblivion. Man is biology and what benefits man's biology benefits our existence. We cannot make informed decisions without the correct information and that includes what man is in relation to all.
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Dark Matter wrote: February 24th, 2018, 8:50 pm
Greta wrote: February 24th, 2018, 6:45 pm
DM, could you define this "life" that one is supposed to "get"? (jer made a fair point about booze too).
Appreciation of life without getting "high."
I would think that appreciation of life by any means would be desirable. So much that we do, certainly everything I do, is sub-optimal so I find it it hard to be fussy about how people navigate their way through life as long as they are generally well-meaning.
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jerlands wrote: February 24th, 2018, 10:31 pm
Greta wrote: February 24th, 2018, 8:46 pm
For the sake of semantics and clarity, I'd use "state", which is not something that one might diagnose.

We have four billion years of changes on the Earth which can be used for comparison purposes. The biosphere is simply restructuring - no fortune telling required, no need for inclusions of exclusions. All one needs to do is notice that change at present is exceptionally rapid and that natural systems are increasingly being replaced by technological ones.

I am neither blind to, nor immune from, the angst that you and others feel about "the way things are at the moment". However, after years of obsessive thought about our existential situation, I now simply trust the Earth - nature - to follow its tracks and I include humans as subject and controlled systems within the larger systems of the planet.

My perspective is that what humans are doing is what nature is doing which is what the Earth is doing. We are neither separate, nor in control but are compelled - although we like to think we are in control - by the interaction of environment with natural social dynamics, which humans have extrapolated on but not escaped. In trusting nature, I do not assume that all will work out. Sometimes it doesn't, but there appears a strong possibility that, while disaster will certainly befall many of the least fortunate of our 7.5 billion people at some stage this century, parts of some societies will not only survive, but will most likely continue to progress apace.

As for my pot legislation "fortune telling" I simply pointed to the obvious opportunities in restructuring societies that the powers-that-be cannot fail to notice at some point.
I'm trying to grasp what you seem to be implying but for the life of me I don't see myself compressed into digitized bits. As for pot legislature.. I believe in education which gives man the ability to make informed decisions and without which we are compelled to oblivion. Man is biology and what benefits man's biology benefits our existence. We cannot make informed decisions without the correct information and that includes what man is in relation to all.
Nobody grasps what it might mean to be digitised, but that is apparently where numerous well-studied observers that we may be going.

History has been made by uninformed decisions, which always became obvious with hindsight. There are no risk free options.
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