Executing Child Rapists
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A genetic change in order to survive better? I doubt it, since when is killing for any animal helpful but when it comes with food? Killing those in your own species is not completely unheard of in other species, but its especially apparent. We distrupted the natural procession of genetics when we introduced medical care. The blind, the deaf, the mentally handicaped can survive as well--being a psychopath now a days is likely to be the opposite of survival in a species that now is more than just tribal in nature, but works in MILLIONS of people. A better genetic mutation designed for survival would be a better ability to cooperate with others, or have a better sense of empathy, not the lack of empathy needed to kill others. I'm ending my tangent on that subject.
Final point: chidren are on average less capable to cope with their rape then adults. Because of this, it takes a person with less remorse to rape a child (or a very sick person). Should they be removed from society? If they were ever capable of doing that, I'd rather not take my chances with my own theotretical children.
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You know I have been thinking about this a lot mostly because of these latest postings and I think that I am starting to change my mind...but just a little. I do think that rape ( no matter who is doing it or who is being raped ) is ever a good thing, and I know that it is very mentally damaging to the people who experience it and even sometime to the people who perform it. know that I think about it the teen years are probably the worst time to experience something as traumatic as rape, so I will say this in response to the overall topic.Dreamshift wrote:I'm certian many people can rise above the dificulties, but these people are likely the exception and not the rule. I do hope they can, but I sure hope they don't have to. All is fair in love and war, so what kind of soldier is a child? Yes, adults have trouble coping, but children are less than at their prime to do so. Their are disturbed and ill adults true, but what if that disturbed and ill adult is not an adult but the child version thereof. Teen years is the usual time where children enter into the world of love and hate, or at least to a larger degree than they were. In the United States, teen suicide is higher than is comfortible. They are less likely to deal well with emotional trauma than and adult. Its a generalization, but accurate if that's all we're talking in.
A genetic change in order to survive better? I doubt it, since when is killing for any animal helpful but when it comes with food? Killing those in your own species is not completely unheard of in other species, but its especially apparent. We distrupted the natural procession of genetics when we introduced medical care. The blind, the deaf, the mentally handicaped can survive as well--being a psychopath now a days is likely to be the opposite of survival in a species that now is more than just tribal in nature, but works in MILLIONS of people. A better genetic mutation designed for survival would be a better ability to cooperate with others, or have a better sense of empathy, not the lack of empathy needed to kill others. I'm ending my tangent on that subject.
Final point: chidren are on average less capable to cope with their rape then adults. Because of this, it takes a person with less remorse to rape a child (or a very sick person). Should they be removed from society? If they were ever capable of doing that, I'd rather not take my chances with my own theotretical children.
Rape is bad
Execution is equally so
I do not think that someone, no matter what crime they committed, should ever be put to death by their own species.
But I do think that rapists should be "dealt with" whether that be through counseling or even through isolation, maybe even hypnotherapy if its that extreme, but I will continue to have empathy for them despite their heinous acts. A rapist is still a human being, and one that still deserves love, and attention, and affection, and friends.
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Dreamshift wrote:What should they have done then?
In the mid-west, in a state that I have forgotten, they make repeat child molestation/rape offenders post a sign on their front yard saying that a child rapist/molester lives here", and they have to put a bumper sticker on their car ( if they have one ) saying that they are a child molester/rapist. I actually think thats a good idea, the offenders still get to live their lives and go to the store and spend time with family and have fun with friends and not have to sit in a jail cell or a therapist's office.
severe metal change has to occur for a person who's decided to do the ultimate crime agianst another person.
That is true, but it is still possible.
If a person wants to rape someone, you have to remember that yes their victim is going to go through a lot, but the offender is too, and as I have said before they are still humans beings and they still have a natural right to life, so execution is out of the question for me, but yes I do think something should be done because no I would not want to be raped, nor would I want anyone to have to experience that. But humans are sexual creatures and that can not be changed except for by nature, not by law.
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I've noticed that I have real aversion to accepting such opinions, I wonder if it is because some opinions might be misconstrued as my own self, or in a way part of my self deffintion, but I'm trying to grow from this site, and this is the first breakthrough I guess in my understanding of the sick: they should be treated no matter what they have commited. I don't like it, but its both more efficient in a society, and quietly justified--even in the case of a child rapist.
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If there is medical evidence proving who is the rape victim, then that is less of a problem, but that isn't always going to exist.
Personally, I don't know what to make of child rape. It seems so far outside of even run of the mill abnormal behavior that it is hard to imagine what kind of mental state would have existed in the rapist mind.
I also don't know to what extent a typical pedophile shares characteristics with a child rapist or a child murderer, for that matter.
I suspect that pedophiles (especially ones that say, collect images) are not in the same league with individuals who might rape a child. Possibly not even in the same ballpark. I think child rape/child murder is a crime of a very disordered personality.
The actual mental and personality characteristics of a typical pedophile - say an adult who longs to have sex with a 15 year old girl or boy, is probably not very different than the average person.
There was a case here where a woman beat a 4 year old to death for soiling his clothes. Again, this seems like a very disordered mind and personality.
I am not sure either what the real rationale for capital punishment is. Vengeance? Social hygiene? Crime deterrence? Tradition? It costs less than life imprisonment?
Capital punishment is not at the top of my list of social concerns, but any state that does execute people, had better be damn sure they have the right body on the gallows. Illinois stopped executions because a review of past and future executions revealed that a significant number were not actually guilty of the crime - they had been falsely convicted.
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Final word: we shouldn't pursue corpral punishment because one inoscent is worth 100 guilty persons.
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It's not suggested that these people are punished for having such desires, only for acting on them.
At present, here in the UK they face a few years in jail, as the result of a legal process, that as bittercrank points out is fraught with difficulties.
Thus, IMO, where guilt is determined - detterent is emphasized, and IMO, should be so radically severe as to quash the libido of others at the point of decision.
The calculus of your reasoning - that it is better to let 100 guilty men go free than convict 1 innocent man is unbalanced by the 500 or so victims whose lives are effected by the 100 guilty men you would set free.
Though I would concede that in cases where the sentance might be death by torture there should be no ambiguity, it's these 500 innocents that require protection and weigh most heavily upon the balance of justice.
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I agree that these people are sick, but generally, not in a way that impedes thier ability to form intent. The abnormal character of the desire is irrelevnt to the formation of intent - and therefore to the question of guilt.
And as I've said, because of the particular difficulties detecting and prosecuting this awful crime, detterent is emphasized. The grevious nature of the penalty is designed to effect the formation of intent in others, as much as punish the guilty.
Instead, you would house and clothe these monsters for such a long time they become institionalized, then relaease them into society. Whereupon you say:
Even if this were valid reasoning - which it's not, you would kill people unable to form intent. Or lock them up forever at the tax-payer's expense. But it's not valid reasoning for the simple reason that for the instituionalized it's harder to live in society than it is to live in prison.Should they commit it agian. THEN either they be sentenced to death or permanent imprisonment because they obviously could not control themselves...
I appreciate your sentiment but I would slice the Gordian knot - and the child rapist right down the middle. It would save the tax-payer a fortune, serve justice, and act as a powerful deterrent. And, of course, it would make great TV!
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This idea of corpral punishment is almost synonmous with the vengeance thread. Maybe we should start another thread for corpral punishment? I always like it when a thread spurs on more threads.
to bring us back to the question at hand. Who does it help to exicute the Child Molesters?
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