Clearide wrote: ...Paine also said " ...No one loves armed missionaries."
Buckminster Fuller maintained, eloquently, that we have the power to think about and understand where we live, and ultimately to organize the materials of our world so that there is plenty for all of us, even for more of us if we intelligently decide that's what we want.
Belinda wrote: ...what Thomas Paine said should be shouted from the rooftops ...
Despite his being a "hero" of the Am. Revolution & eminently quotable, what he said was not shouted from the rooftops; in fact, the "armed missionaries" are the full content of Am. forn. policy & have been since, oh, maybe, Bay of Pigs? Maybe since the Maine was sunk?
Maybe the exchange should turn to how guys like Paine & Fuller can be so lovingly quoted by some & so cruelly dismissed by others. Is it possible that we are encouraged to cite "Founding Fathers" as a bulwark against the 180-deg turn away from those ideas the officers of the nation have made?
As for gov. spending, this seems another occasion alerting us to the "clear & present danger" (the phrase was Justice Holmes's) which is now clear but probably no longer present (at least not that phase of it). Had President Eisenhower announced during the 1960 election that a pending war w/ Cuba would "practically pay for itself," Nixon AND Kennedy woulda demanded his arrest; 40+ yr Pres. Bush makes that statement about OIF & normally bright, skeptical people were preparing editorials & entire books on how that's possible & almost 10 yr hence pending national bankruptcy is the new clear & present danger.