Does Society Need Prisons?

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by chala » December 21st, 2017, 1:29 pm

Jaa_intelligent wrote:
February 9th, 2016, 10:39 pm
Humans have instincts that will always lead to survive. No matter how much nurture is geared to non-violence, human nature at it most primitive and will want to survive. You might get the exception of a person that will sacrifice himself for another.But for the majority of humans they will choose themselves over another.
It's this instinct of survival that will superceed ones own want over another's. Humans have emotions that are fragile and can be swayed. Humans will always have a possibility for aggression. To what degree depends on many variables.
In no time in history has there been a totally non violent or non criminal society. At some level there will be some type of offense of one person to another the level depends again on many variables. Depending on the society, crime will be measured;according to their standards. And sanctions will be imposed. Prisons are nessacary for punishment or rehabilitation. Or we can use public punishment as a deterrent. Even children raised in positive environments committed offenses.
There is no doubt that we have to include the survival of tyrannosaurus rex within our natures. However, we are also herd animals who want the collective to survive. It would be a great thing if we truly knew what man is, tyrannosaurus rex or pregnant doe. Notions of what the human is change through time and cultural trends.

As it stands and has stood for two thousand five hundred years man is capable of loving his neighbour as himself and this view of man is what we ought to cultivate. Few men are beyond redemption from aggressive dispositions.

This being so, prisons should be purposely formed and run so as to rehabilitate and confine, not so as to punish and deter. The deterrence effect comes with the physical confinement and needs no augmentation by means of cruelty.

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Tibbir » December 22nd, 2017, 10:09 am

We do not want the American system where Prisons are a profit centre. Prisoners are forced to work for no pay and so cover the costs of the prisons. This is effectively slavery. Especially as some cops specialize in arresting blacks on dubius charges just to put them back into slavery.

Prisons should be a place of encarceration for people who are dangerous to our society. The better prisons are the ones that teach empathy to the prisoners toward their victims and teach them the social skills to get them out of the rut of re-offending. Not always an easy task. As any skill can be used by the offender to become a more efficient criminal.

If prisoners work, it should be voluntary and it should be paid. This gives them a good example of a the benefits of a good work ethic.

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by GE Morton » December 22nd, 2017, 12:29 pm

Tibbir wrote:
December 22nd, 2017, 10:09 am
We do not want the American system where Prisons are a profit centre. Prisoners are forced to work for no pay and so cover the costs of the prisons. This is effectively slavery.
Yes, it is. Slavery is constitutional if imposed "as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted . . ." (13th Amendment).
Especially as some cops specialize in arresting blacks on dubius [sic] charges just to put them back into slavery.
Oh, please. You seem to be overlooking the fact that to be incarcerated a person must not only be arrested, but also charged by a prosecutor, and unless he pleads guilty, convicted by a jury and sentenced by a judge. Are all those players conspiring to re-impose slavery?
Prisons should be a place of encarceration for people who are dangerous to our society. The better prisons are the ones that teach empathy to the prisoners toward their victims and teach them the social skills to get them out of the rut of re-offending. Not always an easy task. As any skill can be used by the offender to become a more efficient criminal.
Not easy at all. Primarily because empathy is not a teachable skill. Nor are criminals' chosen lifestyles due to lack of "social skills."
If prisoners work, it should be voluntary and it should be paid. This gives them a good example of a the benefits of a good work ethic.
No, it should nor be voluntary. They have inflicted losses and injuries upon their victims and imposed costs on the State to investigate, arrest, try, and confine them. They should be compelled to work, with pay at market rates, until that debt has been fully compensated. That is what justice means and requires. Victims and citizens have no duty to absorb those costs.

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by LuckyR » December 23rd, 2017, 4:49 am

Tibbir wrote:
December 22nd, 2017, 10:09 am
We do not want the American system where Prisons are a profit centre. Prisoners are forced to work for no pay and so cover the costs of the prisons. This is effectively slavery. Especially as some cops specialize in arresting blacks on dubius charges just to put them back into slavery.

Prisons should be a place of encarceration for people who are dangerous to our society. The better prisons are the ones that teach empathy to the prisoners toward their victims and teach them the social skills to get them out of the rut of re-offending. Not always an easy task. As any skill can be used by the offender to become a more efficient criminal.

If prisoners work, it should be voluntary and it should be paid. This gives them a good example of a the benefits of a good work ethic.
I agree that prisons are an area where profit should not be a factor in decision making. There have been convictions of judges who received kickbacks for sentencing juveniles to for profit prisons.
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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by TigerNinja » February 28th, 2018, 6:38 pm

It is useful to prevent someone form re offending, as there are certain cases whereby homeless people, or simply people who generally either like(somehow)/need prison or can't control themselves always end up returning. It is effectively a catering home to help prevent people re offending, although this can only really work with lifetime sentences. The more people stay with criminals, that is most likely going to brush off on them as well, turning it into a place much like an area afflicted with the plague. One person gets it, infects two, who infect 4 each, who infect 8 each, and before you know it, you have a prison full of wild, ideological or simply violent prisoners.
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