Does Society Need Prisons?

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Blake 789 » May 27th, 2016, 1:08 pm

So if someone was to say rape your mom/daughter you would be happy for them to just receive psychiatric treatment?

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Opinionator » July 26th, 2016, 5:23 pm

We need serious reform. Only violent offenders should be imprisoned. Why are we turning non-violent offenders into potentially violent offenders by locking them up with those who are violent? In addition, why are we taking many who could be productive members of society and making them dependents? Going along with this is that fact that we criminalize many activities that are essentially victimless crimes. Besides the injustice of what we are doing, we just can't afford it either.

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by MikeyDee » August 26th, 2016, 5:43 pm

Hi Scott.

Yes, I do think society needs prisons. I would agree that non-violent non-victimizers shouldn't go to jail, and the mentally ill should be treated instead. As for incidental criminals, I guess a lenient and compassionate judge will do, but there are criminals out there who do belong behind bars. I'm certainly no judge of what goes on in other people's heads, but psychopaths and gang bangers and people who simply enjoy hurting others need to be locked up. I do think that education and equality and philanthropic efforts can over time reduce crime but as it is some people just don't belong on the streets.

Not sure if this is true, but as I understand it prisons were invented as "correctional facilities" by the Quakers, to help people instead of punishing them as in execution or dungeons. Prisons today of course are a far cry from that, and solitary confinement, for example, I consider torture, never mind the violence among the prisoners themselves. But I would rather look at prison reform than prison removal.

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Jax Agnesson » August 30th, 2016, 11:08 am

Blake 789 wrote:So if someone was to say rape your mom/daughter you would be happy for them to just receive psychiatric treatment?
Do you think they law should be based on whatever would make you feel happy/unhappy? Or should it be directed at enabling the society as a whole to develop its concepts of acceptable behaviour?

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Anthony Edgar » November 21st, 2016, 2:44 am

Don't imprison drug dealers and incorrigible drug users - execute them instead. What the world needs is more heroes like President Rodrigo Duterte of the Phillipines.

Incidentally, Karl Marx believed that if his ideas were adopted, there would be no need for police, prisons or even governments. An idiotic dreamer, par excellence.
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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Dolphin42 » November 22nd, 2016, 11:54 am

I say of all criminals: kill them all and let God decide. If they're innocent they'll go to heaven. It's win-win.

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Anthony Edgar » November 23rd, 2016, 1:05 am

Dolphin42 wrote:I say of all criminals: kill them all and let God decide. If they're innocent they'll go to heaven. It's win-win.
You are undeniably a genius.
But unfortunately it's not an original idea - I remember an IRA terrorist who had this tattoo: "Kill 'em all! Let God sort them out."
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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Dolphin42 » November 23rd, 2016, 4:39 am

But unfortunately it's not an original idea
Indeed. And it isn't just Christian terrorists who have had this idea. Daesh had the idea too. And also Marge Simpson, in fact.

There is nothing new under the sun (including the expression "There is nothing new under the sun").

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by LuckyR » November 25th, 2016, 12:08 am

It is a bit comical to listen to folks comment on what should happen to lawbreakers, as if there were people who don't break laws.
"As usual... it depends."

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Anthony Edgar » November 25th, 2016, 3:09 am

Dolphin42 wrote:
But unfortunately it's not an original idea
Indeed. And it isn't just Christian terrorists who have had this idea. Daesh had the idea too. And also Marge Simpson, in fact.

There is nothing new under the sun (including the expression "There is nothing new under the sun").
The suckers that make up Daesh were made an offer that few feeble-minded men could refuse: Kill 'em all and you'll get 72 virgins - plus a set of steak knifes.
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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Dolphin42 » November 25th, 2016, 3:19 am

I thought you'd remind me that the expression "there is nothing new under the sun" is Biblical.

Anyway, at my time of life, I'll take the steak knives.

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Anthony Edgar » November 28th, 2016, 4:28 am

Dolphin42 wrote:I thought you'd remind me that the expression "there is nothing new under the sun" is Biblical.

No need ... everyone knows it's one of King Solomon's.
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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Renee » November 28th, 2016, 6:28 am

Anthony Edgar wrote: Incidentally, Karl Marx believed that if his ideas were adopted, there would be no need for police, prisons or even governments. An idiotic dreamer, par excellence.
First time I hear Karl Marx was a Libertarian. (-;
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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by Reddit » January 1st, 2017, 11:15 am

A society without deterrents would be awful. I believe a huge chunk of what we call "human decency" is just the fear of punishment, so to give up prisons is to give up a lot of behaviour

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Re: Does Society Need Prisons?

Post by TSBU » January 2nd, 2017, 7:24 pm

This is one of those things (like many others) that put an extreme separation between other humans and me in my mind and make me feel very alone. An a little mad.

0.Better not talking about how laws are there, better not talking about lawyers and their... duty to lie? about all that anoying books etc.

1. Society don't exist, we don't think the same. Laws, votes, etc, are something that I don't recognize as logical, if everybody think that something is fair, and I don't, then I must keep fighting for what I believe. Specially if we are dealing with things like... the life of a person. Of course, not with a paper.

2.Of course, people are not equal, and of course, they don't deserve the same punishment for the same action. The context and what they've shown in all their life is nearly all.

3.As a punishment (something needed) put a human in a jail is extremely ridiculous. Specially if you consider that puting a "bad psichology person" with all "society crap" in a place with nothing to do, and without freedom, is going to make him a better person. And, for my taste, it's more cruel than cuting a hand and other things like that (Or, if we consider prison for life, death would be mercy).

4.As a way to put someone out of your way, it's... absurd. That person needs to eat jails need to be built and protected... it's a lot of resources.
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etc. It's so evident for me that I don't know what to say.

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