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Post Number:#1
September 12th, 2010, 3:05 am
If you want to go forward you put your car in D for DRIVE; if you want to go backwards you put your car in R for REVERSE.
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Post Number:#2
September 12th, 2010, 3:24 am
Antone wrote:1) Is the analogy an accurate depiction of reality. In other words, is it true the Democrats move us forward and Republicans move us backwards?
Post Number:#3
September 12th, 2010, 3:56 am
Antone wrote:2) If this IS an accurate analogy--then is moving forward necessarily a good thing?
For the first 150 years of this country's existence, the federal government did not think it was its business to intervene when the economy turned down.
All of those downturns ended faster than the first downturn where the federal government intervened big time--the Great Depression of the 1930s.
There are two conflicting assumptions about what happened during the Great Depression. The most popular assumption, especially among politicians, is that the market failed and the government had to intervene to save the economy.
Another assumption is that the market went down and was on its way back up when federal intervention sent it down again and led to massive unemployment.
...if you look at the facts, they go like this: Unemployment never hit double digits in any of the 12 months following the big stock market crash of 1929 that is often blamed for the massive unemployment of the 1930s. Unemployment peaked at 9 percent, two months after the October 1929 crash, and then began drifting downward.
Unemployment was down to 6.3 percent by June 1930, when the first big federal intervention occurred. Within six months, the downward trend in unemployment reversed and hit double digits for the first time in December 1930.
What were politicians to do? Say "We messed up"? Or keep trying one huge intervention after another? ... President Hoover's interventions were followed by President Roosevelt's bigger interventions-- and unemployment remained in double digits in every month for the entire remainder of the decade.
There is another set of facts: The record that was set in 1929 for the biggest stock market decline in one day was broken in 1987. But Ronald Reagan did nothing-- and the media clobbered him for it. Then the economy rebounded and there were 20 years of sustained economic growth with low inflation and low unemployment.
The United States enjoy a scene of prosperity and tranquility under the new government that could hardly have been hoped for.
Tranquility reigns among the people ... our public credit stands on that [high] ground which three years ago it would have been considered as a species of madness to have foretold.
Post Number:#4
September 12th, 2010, 4:14 am
Antone wrote:3) Was it a wise move on Obama's part to use this analogy in his speech?
Obama's goal is apparently to destroy America using the Cloven-Piven strategy--whereby you overwhelm the system with poor decisions and severe crisis, until the whole things necessarily collapses. Then, as any good Marxist knows, the new order can supposedly be rebuilt (in its more perfect form) from the ruins of the old.
A man gets in a car that is facing North. He drives for 3 miles, but on getting out of the car he discovers that he is further South than when he started. How did this happen?
Post Number:#5
September 12th, 2010, 5:39 am
"Do we return to the same failed policies that ran our economy into a ditch, or do we keep moving forward with policies that are slowly pulling us out?" Obama said. "Do we settle for a slow decline, or do we reach for an America with a growing economy and a thriving middle class?"
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/n ... etter-off- with-democrats-in-charge/1120417
Post Number:#6
September 12th, 2010, 4:28 pm
This just proves what an amazingly effective tool propaganda can be.Eveready wrote:Antone I am not American just observing world politics in general and American economy appears to being doing better with Obama at the helm.
Post Number:#7
September 13th, 2010, 6:17 am
This just proves what an amazingly effective tool propaganda can be.
Post Number:#8
September 14th, 2010, 5:51 pm
Post Number:#9
September 14th, 2010, 9:52 pm
Eveready wrote:So if I disagree`s with your unexplained assertion that America is going bankrupt under Obama`s watch this means its me falling for propoganda...
Post Number:#10
September 17th, 2010, 5:37 pm
Unrealist42 wrote:Fiscally the republicans have been strikingly imprudent. When Ronald Reagan was running for president his big talking point was a $50Billion deficit run up by Carter during a recession. Average deficits during the Reagan years was around $200Billion. GW Bush ran up even higher deficits and eventually raised taxes which cost him the election but did not remove the deficit. His son inherited a budget surplus and a lower national debt from Clinton, a democrat, and a long term plan to make Social Security whole for the future. Instead of sticking to the plan he engineered massive tax cuts that threw the government back into massive deficits. Before Bush left office the CBO projected a $1.8Trillion deficit for the next year, Obama's first.
Unrealist42 wrote:Anybody but a moron would think that the government should be running budget surpluses and paying down the national debt in times of economic prosperity, especially with large obligations to Social Security coming due soon. Instead the republicans have proven remarkably moronic, running up the national debt like a teenager on spring break with dad's gold card.
Unrealist42 wrote:The democrats have put the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq in the budget for the first time, removing the sleight of hand of the Bush administration of keeping the cost of these wars out of budget considerations. The democrat controlled congress has reintroduced a budget resolution that calls for all new spending to be paid for, something the republican controlled congress refused to consider during the Bush years as they spent freely without considering how to pay for it.
Unrealist42 wrote:The anti-democrat mantra of tax and spend points to democrats as far more fiscally responsible than the borrow and spend republicans.
Unrealist42 wrote:Republican candidates talk about reducing government regulation on a wholesale basis, more tax cuts, etc. This is the platform that created the mess the nation finds itself in. Their anti-regulation stance deregulated banking and finance and we got an economic collapse from banking and financial shenanigans that the regulations they got rid of were designed to prevent, and did for over 70 years yet they fought against new banking regulation.
Unrealist42 wrote:The health care system is broken, everyone who has ever actually tried to get health care knows that all too well. The health care reform bill addresses a real problem in a practical manner. Since the republicans have no practical arguments against it, it has become a matter of "rights".
Unrealist42 wrote:Eight+ years of oil industry lobbyists and executives running the Minerals Management Agency resulted in $Billions in lost revenue from government owned resources and such lax oversight that the oil industry has created unprecedented environmental catastrophes. The failure of agencies overseeing mining has resulted in deaths, environmental degradation, and serious health problems in mining areas. The republican idea that those closest to industry can regulate them the best for safety and in the governments interest has proven less than reliable.
Unrealist42 wrote:To those who wish to undo the progressive agenda, I hope you are filthy rich because if you are not you are screwed. Say goodbye to the 40 hour workweek and overtime pay. Say goodbye to the minimum wage. Say goodbye to public schools and state colleges and universities. Say goodbye to student grant and loans. Say goodbye to employer provided health care, or any other health care that you can afford. Say goodbye to working in safe conditions. Say goodbye to Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, public health clinics, food banks. Say goodbye to appliances that actually work and will not kill you. Say goodbye to unleaded gas and airbags and seat belts and shatterproof glass in your car. Say goodbye to child car seats that are actually safe to put your child in. Say goodbye to safe food and drinkable water. Say goodbye to a clean environment. Say goodbye to progressive taxes. Say goodbye to small business. Say goodbye to charity.....
Say goodbye to the government, or anyone else caring about you at all. Good luck with that.
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Post Number:#11
September 17th, 2010, 8:17 pm
I do not support or defend Republicans... I support conservatives. Without a doubt, the Bushes were poor stewards of fiscal responsibility, and they squandered a golden opportunity... which is one of the reasons contributing to why they were voted out of office.Unrealist42 wrote:Republican administrations over the last 30 years have provided less than reasonable governance in many areas but their history of fiscal irresponsibility is beyond compare.
HA, HA, HO, HO, Roflmao. I'll believe they're serious about this when they pass it. It won't happen as long as Dems control congress (unless they're running in fear of their political lives--which is exactly why they introduced the resolution, to pretend that they have a few conservative principles, not that they're getting shellacked in the polls.) Even then, I'd bet my life against $1,000 that this progressive/spend crazy/Democrat congress will never pass it.Unrealist42 wrote:The democrat controlled congress has reintroduced a budget resolution that calls for all new spending to be paid for
Wrong. Look up the facts. The Democrats were primarily the ones who encouraged banks to relax their regulatory standards and adopt the practices of the Community Reinvestment Act. (Again, republicans, including Bush are not without blame, but Bush warned the liberals in congress about the approaching dangers of the housing market crash some 17 times... The progressives in congress ignored his warnings. When the Republican regulator called attention to the financially unsound practices of GSE's like Fannie Mae, he was ridiculed by those same Democrats who called him a racist and said he didn't know what he was talking about.Unrealist42 wrote:Their anti-regulation stance deregulated banking and finance and we got an economic collapse
Again, either you're intentionally lying, or the people you're getting your information from are, because this is wrong on every account.Unrealist42 wrote: The health care system is broken, everyone who has ever actually tried to get health care knows that all too well. The health care reform bill addresses a real problem in a practical manner. Since the republicans have no practical arguments against it, it has become a matter of "rights".
We can only dream of such a wonderful scenario--but no such luck. We've been headed in the opposite direction at warp speed. Although the Tea Party movement is finally turning things around... and in the long run, if we are persistent, we will make things better than they were before Obama nearly destroyed our country.Unrealist42 wrote:Sometimes I think that the US has regressed 100 years, to the days of rampant disregard for anything but immediate monetary profit.
I'm not rich... not even close, but I'll take my chances with a free market. And if progressives try to screw things up, I'll fight to the death to protect my freedoms and the principles that America was founded on.Unrealist42 wrote: To those who wish to undo the progressive agenda, I hope you are filthy rich because if you are not you are screwed.
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