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GE Morton
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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by GE Morton » May 23rd, 2018, 10:14 pm

Greta wrote:
May 23rd, 2018, 7:26 pm

I don't think you understand how close your much-hated governments and much-loved corporations are simply part of one larger entity, with corporations increasingly becoming dominant.

As per the previous thread, you are lost in the economic models of the last century, seemingly trying to block out the fact that the power structures of our societies have changed greatly this century. . . .
I'm not sure what that response has to do with my comments in the previous post, much less what it has to do with the topic of the thread.

Perhaps you could launch a new thread setting forth this corporate coup d'etat (or whatever you think it is) theory of yours and outlining all the grave implications you apparently fear from it. Hopefully you will present the thesis clearly and precisely enough to allow rational analysis and empirical testing.

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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by Greta » May 24th, 2018, 2:28 am

GE Morton wrote:
May 23rd, 2018, 10:14 pm
I'm not sure what that response has to do with my comments in the previous post, much less what it has to do with the topic of the thread.
It was in reply to your comment but you seemingly was unable to understand it.

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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by LuckyR » May 24th, 2018, 3:22 am

GE Morton wrote:
May 23rd, 2018, 5:48 pm
LuckyR wrote:
May 23rd, 2018, 2:43 pm

Exactly my point! A huge portion of the suicidal are trying to "draw attention" to their temporary depressive episode through actually trying to kill themselves, hence why lowering the statistical chance of surviving the temporary crisis and thus transforming a cry for help into a bodybag is a bad thing for most of the suicidal.
It may be, but it is not the job of government to prevent people from doing things that might be bad for them, or doing what it deems to be "good for them." It is not their Mommy.
BTW folks who try to kill themselves are "the actually suicidal" (by definition).
Some of them. Others (those who do not expect the act to succeed) are not actually suicidal; they are pretenders. Those serious about ending their lives choose methods sure to be effective.

The point in my previous comment regarding the "actually suicidal" was that group is not coextensive with suicide survivors. Hence conclusions about the "actually suicidal" do not follow from premises about suicide survivors.

This discussion is wandering rather far afield from the topic of "Gun Control and Mass Murder," BTW.
The "Mommy state" complaint is the excuse trotted out when one disagrees with a policy and one is looking for a reason to justify the opinion. This is proven when the same group advocates for the same government to intervene to an equal or greater degree in policies that they happen to agree with.
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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by ThomasHobbes » May 24th, 2018, 5:40 am

LuckyR wrote:
May 24th, 2018, 3:22 am

The "Mommy state" complaint is the excuse trotted out when one disagrees with a policy and one is looking for a reason to justify the opinion. This is proven when the same group advocates for the same government to intervene to an equal or greater degree in policies that they happen to agree with.
Indeed. It's regrettable that I cannot do to my kids what my step father did to me; thrash me with a hard buckle to knock some sense into me.

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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by GE Morton » May 24th, 2018, 9:38 am

LuckyR wrote:
May 24th, 2018, 3:22 am
GE Morton wrote:
May 23rd, 2018, 5:48 pm

It may be, but it is not the job of government to prevent people from doing things that might be bad for them, or doing what it deems to be "good for them." It is not their Mommy.
The "Mommy state" complaint is the excuse trotted out when one disagrees with a policy and one is looking for a reason to justify the opinion. This is proven when the same group advocates for the same government to intervene to an equal or greater degree in policies that they happen to agree with.
Actually it is a deprecatory euphemism for government paternalism, invoked when there is a disagreement about the proper role of government in free societies --- a topic raised in a previous thread, "A Moral Argument for Minarchy," but which (as far as I can recall) you did not address. But if you believe there are some inconsistencies in my view of that role (outlined in that thread) please point them out.

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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by Greta » May 24th, 2018, 8:12 pm

GE Morton wrote:
May 24th, 2018, 9:38 am
LuckyR wrote:
May 24th, 2018, 3:22 am


The "Mommy state" complaint is the excuse trotted out when one disagrees with a policy and one is looking for a reason to justify the opinion. This is proven when the same group advocates for the same government to intervene to an equal or greater degree in policies that they happen to agree with.
Actually it is a deprecatory euphemism for government paternalism, invoked when there is a disagreement about the proper role of government in free societies --- a topic raised in a previous thread, "A Moral Argument for Minarchy," but which (as far as I can recall) you did not address. But if you believe there are some inconsistencies in my view of that role (outlined in that thread) please point them out.
I'm not sure what that response has to do with the comments in previous posts, much less what it has to do with the topic of the thread.

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Re: Gun Control and Mass Murder

Post by GE Morton » May 24th, 2018, 11:45 pm

Greta wrote:
May 24th, 2018, 8:12 pm

I'm not sure what that response has to do with the comments in previous posts, much less what it has to do with the topic of the thread.
It directly responds to your comment re: the "Mommy state excuse." But it has nothing to do with the subject of the thread, as I pointed out earlier with respect to the issue of whether preventing suicide is a "good thing."

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