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Re: Rousseau talking about Blacks and apes?

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Blauw bloed wrote:I wish to speak to some enlightened, clever, civilized person about what Rousseau really was about.

Hello Blauw bloed, your theory seems incredibly unique. I've never heard of anything similar before. Given this, I wish that you could put aside any feelings of persecution and attempt to lead us upon the path which brought you to this conclusion.

Blauw bloed wrote:I have finished my proof that the elite was brown and black, I just have to spread the news and sent people to museums to gawk at the over paints, the brown skin still showing

Could you post your proof that the elite was brown and black, or links to it, in this thread? I must admit that I find it difficult to take your claims seriously. If you could provide more in the way of evidence it would be greatly appreciated. Could you provide links to some of these paintings you speak of as well?


What I'm trying to say is that I really don't think that this discussion can be fruitfully continued with naught but more talk. Some topics can be concluded just by telling people about them. Any disagreements thereafter can be sorted out with discussion. I do not think this is such a topic.

Blauw bloed wrote:Human races were invented around 1760[...] racism started in Europe, it had nothing to do with slave trade or whatever, being invented by the 2-3% I already mentioned. Racism was a liberation ideology

Do you have anything to support these claims? I think I can present some counter-evidence.


"The law in Virginia didn’t establish the condition of lifetime, perpetual slavery or even recognize African servants as a group different from white servants until 1661." [1]


I.E. In 1661 African (black) servants were recognized as a different group from white servants. To me, this seems to show that a concept of race existed prior to 1760.


"The planters’ economic calculations played a part in the colonies’ decision to move towards full-scale slave labor. By the end of the 17th century, the price of white indentured servants outstripped the price of African slaves. A planter could buy an African slave for life for the same price that he could purchase a white servant for ten years. As Eric Williams explained:

"Here, then, is the origin of Negro slavery. The reason was economic, not racial; it had to do not with the color of the laborer, but the cheapness of the labor. [The planters] would have gone to the moon, if necessary, for labor. Africa was nearer than the moon, nearer too than the more populous countries of India and China. But their turn would soon come." " [1]


The slave trade increased due to economic concerns. As Black slaves saw more use they were separated from white servants/indentured servants (see above).


I'm not saying that the above shows the existence of race as we conceive of it today. I'm simply saying that it seems to show the existence of some concept of race prior to your claimed origin of 1760. It also seems to provide a reasonable origin of racism tied in with the slave trade.


[1]: I would provide a source, but apparently I'm not allowed to.
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Re: Rousseau talking about Blacks and apes?

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Hmm.. considering France, along with Great Britain, the Netherlands, Spain, etc. were shipping thousands of African slaves every year, how do you think they justified it?

Do you also realise that Rosseau's society still championed the Estates of the Realm concept, thus making ideals of social equality void?

lol.. we cannot judge historical figures by our standards. If (as a hypothetical point) Sulaiman said that women's only life role is to satisfy men in all senses, so what? Does one expect anything else from persons living in early modern times?
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Re: Rousseau talking about Blacks and apes?

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Namthebabe wrote:Hmm.. considering France, along with Great Britain, the Netherlands, Spain, etc. were shipping thousands of African slaves every year, how do you think they justified it?

Do you also realise that Rosseau's society still championed the Estates of the Realm concept, thus making ideals of social equality void?

lol.. we cannot judge historical figures by our standards. If (as a hypothetical point) Sulaiman said that women's only life role is to satisfy men in all senses, so what? Does one expect anything else from persons living in early modern times?
So I am back to finish what I started after all this banning from forums, and those who banned me elsewhere coming over here to ask me questions. I assume that persons with some interest in the topic and some knowledge will reply. The Enlightenment was to free Europe from its founders. They were the first Europeans, and came from North Africa. Civilization started in Egypt, according to Cheick Anta Diop, in North Africa and was brought to Europe, with ancient Greece growing out of three Egyptian colonies. According to Black Athena by Martin Bernal. Racism was a liberation ideology to teach primitive and extremely backward pink Europeans, immigrants from Central Asia who were pariah and shoeleather cattle till 1848, to free themseves from the black and brown complexioned masters. The nobility and the bourgeoisie were like two Black tribes who hated each other. The bourgeoisie philosophers invented human races as a socalled scientific concept, to introduce a hierarchy among the supposed human races. All old master paintings have been over painted after 1848, because the paint is supposed to have darkenend. The figures looked dark, because they were Blacks. The persons were described as brown or black of complexion, and engravings after these now altered paintings still show the dark skin. The bigest problem in getting this simple and highly documented proof across is that pinks really believe themselves superior to Blacks. I am perceived like a heretic, or worse. Lets start asking were pinks come from.
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