New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

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New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by MetalHeader » March 13th, 2018, 3:26 pm

Physicists have developed a new mathematical model that shows how time travel is theoretically possible. They used Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity as a springboard for their hypothetical device, which they call a Traversable Acausal Retrograde Domain in Space-time (TARDIS).

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What do you think about time travel? I personally think that it's quite possible after reading this.

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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by LuckyR » March 13th, 2018, 6:05 pm

MetalHeader wrote:
March 13th, 2018, 3:26 pm
Physicists have developed a new mathematical model that shows how time travel is theoretically possible. They used Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity as a springboard for their hypothetical device, which they call a Traversable Acausal Retrograde Domain in Space-time (TARDIS).

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What do you think about time travel? I personally think that it's quite possible after reading this.
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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by Namelesss » March 18th, 2018, 8:47 pm

MetalHeader wrote:
March 13th, 2018, 3:26 pm
Physicists have developed a new mathematical model that shows how time travel is theoretically possible. ...

What do you think about time travel? I personally think that it's quite possible after reading this.
Philosophy is informed by, and trumps, science.
Philosophers have long known the impossibility of 'time' travel, like the impossibility of traveling on a purple winged unicorn!

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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by LuckyR » March 19th, 2018, 3:54 am

Namelesss wrote:
March 18th, 2018, 8:47 pm
MetalHeader wrote:
March 13th, 2018, 3:26 pm
Physicists have developed a new mathematical model that shows how time travel is theoretically possible. ...

What do you think about time travel? I personally think that it's quite possible after reading this.
Philosophy is informed by, and trumps, science.
Philosophers have long known the impossibility of 'time' travel, like the impossibility of traveling on a purple winged unicorn!
Time travel to the past is indeed impossible, but time travel to the future happens not infrequently
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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by Namelesss » March 19th, 2018, 9:10 pm

LuckyR wrote:
March 19th, 2018, 3:54 am
Namelesss wrote:
March 18th, 2018, 8:47 pm

Philosophy is informed by, and trumps, science.
Philosophers have long known the impossibility of 'time' travel, like the impossibility of traveling on a purple winged unicorn!
Time travel to the past is indeed impossible, but time travel to the future happens not infrequently
Time travel to the 'past' is a feature of Reality, it is called imagination/memory.
Time travel to the 'future' is the same, imagination.
'Time' exists in 'thought/imagination', as does the 'past' and 'future'..
'Time' is a theory meant to explain the mirage of 'motion'.
Time exists in 'thought', that is why there will never be some machine, like in the movies, that will whisk someone into a mirage!

One can, of course, experience moments that are perceived as 'in the future', but that is not 'time traveling', that is merely our eyes blinking open for a moment.

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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by LuckyR » March 21st, 2018, 2:39 am

Namelesss wrote:
March 19th, 2018, 9:10 pm
LuckyR wrote:
March 19th, 2018, 3:54 am


Time travel to the past is indeed impossible, but time travel to the future happens not infrequently
Time travel to the 'past' is a feature of Reality, it is called imagination/memory.
Time travel to the 'future' is the same, imagination.
'Time' exists in 'thought/imagination', as does the 'past' and 'future'..
'Time' is a theory meant to explain the mirage of 'motion'.
Time exists in 'thought', that is why there will never be some machine, like in the movies, that will whisk someone into a mirage!

One can, of course, experience moments that are perceived as 'in the future', but that is not 'time traveling', that is merely our eyes blinking open for a moment.
Two different things. Imagination is imagination and time travel is time travel.
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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by Namelesss » March 21st, 2018, 2:57 am

LuckyR wrote:
March 21st, 2018, 2:39 am
Namelesss wrote:
March 19th, 2018, 9:10 pm

Time travel to the 'past' is a feature of Reality, it is called imagination/memory.
Time travel to the 'future' is the same, imagination.
'Time' exists in 'thought/imagination', as does the 'past' and 'future'..
'Time' is a theory meant to explain the mirage of 'motion'.
Time exists in 'thought', that is why there will never be some machine, like in the movies, that will whisk someone into a mirage!

One can, of course, experience moments that are perceived as 'in the future', but that is not 'time traveling', that is merely our eyes blinking open for a moment.
Two different things. Imagination is imagination and time travel is time travel.
We have lots of evidence for the one; we all experience/Know imagination!
None at all for 'time travel', outside of the imagination/thought (and novels and movies...).

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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by LuckyR » March 21st, 2018, 3:30 am

Namelesss wrote:
March 21st, 2018, 2:57 am
LuckyR wrote:
March 21st, 2018, 2:39 am


Two different things. Imagination is imagination and time travel is time travel.
We have lots of evidence for the one; we all experience/Know imagination!
None at all for 'time travel', outside of the imagination/thought (and novels and movies...).
Actually time travel happens not infrequently.
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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by Namelesss » March 23rd, 2018, 1:50 am

LuckyR wrote:
March 21st, 2018, 3:30 am
Namelesss wrote:
March 21st, 2018, 2:57 am

We have lots of evidence for the one; we all experience/Know imagination!
None at all for 'time travel', outside of the imagination/thought (and novels and movies...).
Actually time travel happens not infrequently.
Perhaps.
Perhaps you are familiar with evidence of which I am unaware.
Care to share?
Other than the imaginary sort, of which I mentioned, of course.
Not ambiguous grainy wishful pictures like the YouTube UFOs, but something a bit more... credible to the non-believer?
I'm certainly willing to examine anything even remotely credible! *__-

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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by LuckyR » March 23rd, 2018, 11:22 am

Namelesss wrote:
March 23rd, 2018, 1:50 am
LuckyR wrote:
March 21st, 2018, 3:30 am


Actually time travel happens not infrequently.
Perhaps.
Perhaps you are familiar with evidence of which I am unaware.
Care to share?
Other than the imaginary sort, of which I mentioned, of course.
Not ambiguous grainy wishful pictures like the YouTube UFOs, but something a bit more... credible to the non-believer?
I'm certainly willing to examine anything even remotely credible! *__-
Probably the most famous (well known) is that Gabby Gifford's husband, Mark Kelly traveled 5 milliseconds into the future during his International Space Station trip (especially notable in that he has an identical twin, who is now even younger than he is/was)
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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by Namelesss » March 23rd, 2018, 9:04 pm

LuckyR wrote:
March 23rd, 2018, 11:22 am
Namelesss wrote:
March 23rd, 2018, 1:50 am

Perhaps.
Perhaps you are familiar with evidence of which I am unaware.
Care to share?
Other than the imaginary sort, of which I mentioned, of course.
Not ambiguous grainy wishful pictures like the YouTube UFOs, but something a bit more... credible to the non-believer?
I'm certainly willing to examine anything even remotely credible! *__-
Probably the most famous (well known) is that Gabby Gifford's husband, Mark Kelly traveled 5 milliseconds into the future during his International Space Station trip (especially notable in that he has an identical twin, who is now even younger than he is/was)
Okay, food for thought, and questions.
For instance, how, exactly, do they determine that he is now older? What happened to the 5 milliseconds that are now, assumedly, missing from his life?
What is the reference point?
How measured?
Hypotheses?

So far, this sounds a bit like the '21 grams' legend.
How can they tell that Now! is different?
And how can they determine so clearly that one twin is 5 milliseconds different now?
IF the findings are consistently and independently verifiable (sounds murky to me), then we can proceed to hypotheses and theories.
Until then, my skeptical Zetetic is in full bloom! *__-

Thank you for your example, but it seems to ask more questions than it answers.

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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by Present awareness » March 24th, 2018, 9:49 am

When driving your car, are you looking into the future, because you are not at the stop light yet? When looking in your rear view mirror, are you looking into the past, beacause that’s where you were a moment ago?
No matter we’re you are or where you go, you will find that you are here, and it is now.
Even though you can see me, I might not be here.

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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by LuckyR » March 24th, 2018, 10:57 am

Namelesss wrote:
March 23rd, 2018, 9:04 pm
LuckyR wrote:
March 23rd, 2018, 11:22 am


Probably the most famous (well known) is that Gabby Gifford's husband, Mark Kelly traveled 5 milliseconds into the future during his International Space Station trip (especially notable in that he has an identical twin, who is now even younger than he is/was)
Okay, food for thought, and questions.
For instance, how, exactly, do they determine that he is now older? What happened to the 5 milliseconds that are now, assumedly, missing from his life?
What is the reference point?
How measured?
Hypotheses?

So far, this sounds a bit like the '21 grams' legend.
How can they tell that Now! is different?
And how can they determine so clearly that one twin is 5 milliseconds different now?
IF the findings are consistently and independently verifiable (sounds murky to me), then we can proceed to hypotheses and theories.
Until then, my skeptical Zetetic is in full bloom! *__-

Thank you for your example, but it seems to ask more questions than it answers.
Well, I suppose I could reprove Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity, but that would be tedious and I am not confident that the exercise would be more profitable to you than Wikipedia or a cute YouTube video doing the same thing.
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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by Namelesss » March 25th, 2018, 1:58 am

LuckyR wrote:
March 24th, 2018, 10:57 am
Namelesss wrote:
March 23rd, 2018, 9:04 pm

Okay, food for thought, and questions.
For instance, how, exactly, do they determine that he is now older? What happened to the 5 milliseconds that are now, assumedly, missing from his life?
What is the reference point?
How measured?
Hypotheses?

So far, this sounds a bit like the '21 grams' legend.
How can they tell that Now! is different?
And how can they determine so clearly that one twin is 5 milliseconds different now?
IF the findings are consistently and independently verifiable (sounds murky to me), then we can proceed to hypotheses and theories.
Until then, my skeptical Zetetic is in full bloom! *__-

Thank you for your example, but it seems to ask more questions than it answers.
Well, I suppose I could reprove Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity, but that would be tedious and I am not confident that the exercise would be more profitable to you than Wikipedia or a cute YouTube video doing the same thing.
Well, I might be a blind dullard, as jerlands has perceived, but I can tell the difference between a bunch of numbers that exist in the imaginations of some mathematicians and a real, rootin' tootin' apple when I'm hungry.
You cannot bury me in numbers and and claim that I just ate an apple.

Time travel is something that has piqued the imagination for a long time, people want to believe. Just imagine if... fix those regrets, get the girl, don't ...
Someone with no dog in the race might be a bit more critical of methods and sources, etc... then someone seeking validation, alone, for instance.

'Paradoxes' are sure signs of error, usually the assumption.
The uncritically unexamined assumption, in this case, is that 'time travel' (like in the movies), is possible. 'Math' says so. Check!
On the other hand, math cannot do more than suggest. All sciences are feeder branches of the tree of philosophy.
Philosophy can refute 'math', or any other science.
When the 'notion' of time travel is philosophically (critically) examined, all avenues end in paradox, the red light of error.
The only assumption being examined is that of 'time travel', thus the error is in that assumption, as highlighted by all the paradoxes encountered.
If 'math' disagrees, then the 'math' will eventually, fail, as it can be offered to explain mirages...

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Re: New Research Shows That Time Travel Is Mathematically Possible

Post by LuckyR » March 26th, 2018, 3:46 am

Namelesss wrote:
March 25th, 2018, 1:58 am
LuckyR wrote:
March 24th, 2018, 10:57 am


Well, I suppose I could reprove Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity, but that would be tedious and I am not confident that the exercise would be more profitable to you than Wikipedia or a cute YouTube video doing the same thing.
Well, I might be a blind dullard, as jerlands has perceived, but I can tell the difference between a bunch of numbers that exist in the imaginations of some mathematicians and a real, rootin' tootin' apple when I'm hungry.
You cannot bury me in numbers and and claim that I just ate an apple.

Time travel is something that has piqued the imagination for a long time, people want to believe. Just imagine if... fix those regrets, get the girl, don't ...
Someone with no dog in the race might be a bit more critical of methods and sources, etc... then someone seeking validation, alone, for instance.

'Paradoxes' are sure signs of error, usually the assumption.
The uncritically unexamined assumption, in this case, is that 'time travel' (like in the movies), is possible. 'Math' says so. Check!
On the other hand, math cannot do more than suggest. All sciences are feeder branches of the tree of philosophy.
Philosophy can refute 'math', or any other science.
When the 'notion' of time travel is philosophically (critically) examined, all avenues end in paradox, the red light of error.
The only assumption being examined is that of 'time travel', thus the error is in that assumption, as highlighted by all the paradoxes encountered.
If 'math' disagrees, then the 'math' will eventually, fail, as it can be offered to explain mirages...
No, seriously, consult Wikipedia or YouTube. It's not difficult.
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