Two Robots Die at Fuhushima

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Two Robots Die at Fuhushima

Post by Rr6 » March 19th, 2017, 9:54 am

Is nuclear energy as likely to kill off humanity as hydrogen bombs or global warming can also do, just in different ways?

Some scientists believe, that, Earth has already passed the Parts/particles per million of greenhouse gases that humanity can survive. If true, will humanities existence on Earth still be longer because hydrogen bombs will never be released and the resultant damages of nuclear power generation is still much further away than global warming?

At this time I believe ionizing radiation resultants of nuclear power will eventually be killer of humanity. Hydrogen bombs come in 2nd place because the world is getting more crazy in so many ways-- see Trump as U.S. president ---, and, I believe a few humans could survive global warming under some circumstances. r6

..."When a second robot was sent to investigate, it also failed."....

http://www.anonews.co/fukushima-robot-crippled/

By Whitney Webb

(MPN) Tokyo — While media attention has largely drifted away from the 2011 meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant in the years since the disaster, a recent and disturbing development has once again made Fukushima difficult if not impossible to ignore.

On Feb. 2, Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, quietly released a statement regarding the discovery of a hole measuring 2 meters in diameter within the metal grating at the bottom of the containment vessel in the plant’s No. 2 reactor.

Though news of this hole is indeed concerning, even more shocking was the associated jump in radiation detected in the area. According to estimates taken at the time of the hole’s discovery, radiation inside the reactor was found to have reached 530 sieverts per hour, a massive increase compared to the 73 sieverts per hour recorded after the disaster. To put these figures in perspective, NASA’s maximum amount of radiation exposure permitted for astronauts over their entire lifetime is 1 sievert.
Human exposure to 5 sieverts would kill half of those exposed within a month, while 10 sieverts would prove fatal to nearly all exposed within a matter of weeks. An official with Japan’s National Institute of Radiological Sciences told the Japan Times that medical professionals with the organization had never even considered working with such high levels of radiation.


TEPCO initially tried to counter public fears by stating that most of the reactor’s nuclear fuel remained in the containment vessel despite the hole. However, on Feb. 3, TEPCO spokesman Yuichi Okamura was quoted as saying that “it’s highly possible that melted fuel leaked through.” At the time, TEPCO said that it would send a robot into the area to survey the full extent of the damage in order to definitively determine whether fuel had leaked outside of the reactor into the surrounding environment.

The first robot, deployed on Feb. 16, was unable to conduct any meaningful measurements, as the extreme conditions within the reactor forced operators to abandon it within the containment vessel. The “scorpion” robot, manufactured by Toshiba, was meant to record images of the reactor’s interior and collect accurate — instead of estimated — data on the levels of radiation within. Within three hours of deployment, the device stopped responding to operators despite its stated ability to withstand high levels of radiation. TEPCO has not commented on its new plans to gauge the damage recently uncovered in the reactor in the wake of the robot’s malfunction.

When a second robot was sent to investigate, it also failed.

One of the world’s worst nuclear disasters grows even worse

Despite a lack of widespread media coverage and TEPCO’s reassurances that things are under control, there is concern that the nuclear disaster at Fukushima — already one of the worst nuclear disasters in human history — is quickly growing even worse.
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Re: Two Robots Die at Fuhushima

Post by -1- » March 25th, 2017, 1:31 am

I don't think humanity has created its own grave yet. I think humans will be wiped off the Earth and out of existence when chipmunks will gain enough evolutionary momentum to take over our factories, military and trade, and will make sex slaves out of our women.

After a hundred thousand years of Chipmunks roaming and ruling the world, the mighty, morally unassailable and powerful Tapeworms will take over to stand by the helm, and finally steer the world into the direction of sustainable, happy, equitable co-existence between all animals, plants, fossils, and old, body-less souls.
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Re: Two Robots Die at Fuhushima

Post by Rr6 » March 26th, 2017, 4:33 pm

Again putting aside hydrogen bomb apocalypse, Global Warming aka Rapid Climate Change due to human activities, is current ongoing and not likely not to be curtailed any times soon i.e. global warming results are likely to be in place for a few thousand years and at least til the next ice age--- that were currently entering -- finally makes as differrence.

So, lets say there does exist a handful of humans somewhere in nice area where food grows and maybe river and oceans near by with fish etc.

Well if they happen to be near any nuke plants or nuclear storage facilities, their chances of eventually becoming irradiated wil greatly increase since their will exist humans to maintain the nuclear plants or storage facilities.

Then there will also be other deteriorating facilities for other nasty chemicals just waiting to get into air-- possibly due to fires ---and water

Ok, so maybe not just irradiation will give them all cancer and genetic mutations for years to come, in addition to the other nasty stuff they will not last.

We also cannot write off some hydron bombs being set off as humanity sinks into chaos from global warning resultants.

So many possible scenarios yet I cant foresee many good ones.

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Rr6 wrote:Is nuclear energy as likely to kill off humanity as hydrogen bombs or global warming can also do, just in different ways?
Some scientists believe, that, Earth has already passed the Parts/particles per million of greenhouse gases that humanity can survive. If true, will humanities existence on Earth still be longer because hydrogen bombs will never be released and the resultant damages of nuclear power generation is still much further away than global warming?
At this time I believe ionizing radiation resultants of nuclear power will eventually be killer of humanity. Hydrogen bombs come in 2nd place because the world is getting more crazy in so many ways-- see Trump as U.S. president ---, and, I believe a few humans could survive global warming under some circumstances. r6
..."When a second robot was sent to investigate, it also failed."....
http://www.anonews.co/fukushima-robot-crippled/
By Whitney Webb
(MPN) Tokyo — While media attention has largely drifted away from the 2011 meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant in the years since the disaster, a recent and disturbing development has once again made Fukushima difficult if not impossible to ignore.
On Feb. 2, Tokyo Electric Power Company, or TEPCO, quietly released a statement regarding the discovery of a hole measuring 2 meters in diameter within the metal grating at the bottom of the containment vessel in the plant’s No. 2 reactor.
Though news of this hole is indeed concerning, even more shocking was the associated jump in radiation detected in the area. According to estimates taken at the time of the hole’s discovery, radiation inside the reactor was found to have reached 530 sieverts per hour, a massive increase compared to the 73 sieverts per hour recorded after the disaster. To put these figures in perspective, NASA’s maximum amount of radiation exposure permitted for astronauts over their entire lifetime is 1 sievert.
Human exposure to 5 sieverts would kill half of those exposed within a month, while 10 sieverts would prove fatal to nearly all exposed within a matter of weeks. An official with Japan’s National Institute of Radiological Sciences told the Japan Times that medical professionals with the organization had never even considered working with such high levels of radiation.
TEPCO initially tried to counter public fears by stating that most of the reactor’s nuclear fuel remained in the containment vessel despite the hole. However, on Feb. 3, TEPCO spokesman Yuichi Okamura was quoted as saying that “it’s highly possible that melted fuel leaked through.” At the time, TEPCO said that it would send a robot into the area to survey the full extent of the damage in order to definitively determine whether fuel had leaked outside of the reactor into the surrounding environment.
The first robot, deployed on Feb. 16, was unable to conduct any meaningful measurements, as the extreme conditions within the reactor forced operators to abandon it within the containment vessel. The “scorpion” robot, manufactured by Toshiba, was meant to record images of the reactor’s interior and collect accurate — instead of estimated — data on the levels of radiation within. Within three hours of deployment, the device stopped responding to operators despite its stated ability to withstand high levels of radiation. TEPCO has not commented on its new plans to gauge the damage recently uncovered in the reactor in the wake of the robot’s malfunction.
When a second robot was sent to investigate, it also failed.
One of the world’s worst nuclear disasters grows even worse
Despite a lack of widespread media coverage and TEPCO’s reassurances that things are under control, there is concern that the nuclear disaster at Fukushima — already one of the worst nuclear disasters in human history — is quickly growing even worse.
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Re: Two Robots Die at Fuhushima

Post by -1- » March 26th, 2017, 7:43 pm

Ok, so maybe not just irradiation will give them all cancer and genetic mutations for years to come, in addition to the other nasty stuff they will not last.
Well, genetic mutations as they present in biological movement are relatively random.

Therefore you can't assume that all mutations are "bad" or inconducive to survival. I am sure some mutations will help us biologically cope with irradiation, bad climate, and meagre stock market conditions. While some other mutations, true, will create the ubermensch, the untermensch und den Istenmentsch.
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Re: Two Robots Die at Fuhushima

Post by Felix » March 27th, 2017, 5:04 am

Coal powered plants actually produce higher amounts of radioactive materials than nuclear power plants do during their normal course of operation. See: http://ow.ly/Xtxs30ahAUJ
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Re: Two Robots Die at Fuhushima

Post by Rr6 » March 28th, 2017, 2:16 pm

Felix wrote:Coal powered plants actually produce higher amounts of radioactive materials than nuclear power plants do during their normal course of operation. See: http://ow.ly/Xtxs30ahAUJ
The article does not consider nuclear mining, nuclear transportation, nuclear maintenance, nuclear storage on site etc......

Coal is on the way out in US and Nukes are gaining popularity worldwide.

Nuke plants have had minor incidents{ accidents } that has released more radiation than normal that we rarely hear about.

Three mile island, Chernoyble and Fukushima far out weigh the amount of radiation damage to humans than release of radiation in coal fly ash. There is just no comparison. imho

The French love nukes and especially breeder reactors. Uranium should be left in the Earth where it remains relatively less harmful to humans.

Population going higher taxing the environmental systems that supply our needs. Fresh water reserves getting less and less{ ? } and some percentage of it is polluted and most likely will get worse.

Greenhouse gases > Global Warming > Climate Change > More Irratic Weather Patterns > Chaos

Chaos will be detrimental to nukes and all associations thereof >

Chaos will be detrimental to fossil fuels >

Chaos will be detrimental to our best alternatives Solar, Wind, waves.

I'm sorry but I don't see many good scenarios for humanities long term survival on Earth.

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Re: Two Robots Die at Fuhushima

Post by Felix » March 28th, 2017, 4:52 pm

Three mile island, Chernoyble and Fukushima far out weigh the amount of radiation damage to humans than release of radiation in coal fly ash.
I have my doubts, Rr6, there are far more coal powered plants than there are nuclear plants and the coal plants spew the radioactive particles into the air for us all to breath.
Coal is on the way out in US and Nukes are gaining popularity worldwide.
Coal burning plants are still being built at a rapid pace, especially in China, nuke plants are not.

However I agree with your main thesis, renewable energy is the way to go, which is why politicians like D. Trump are a danger to our health.
I'm sorry but I don't see many good scenarios for humanities long term survival on Earth.
It is definitely only a few minutes to midnight on the World Clock, act now or perish.

-- Updated Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:44 pm to add the following --

Another big blow against nuclear power: Westinghouse, one of the leading designers of nuclear power plants (over half of all plants are based on their design) announced it will be filing for bankruptcy - I guess the 9+ billion dollar cost to build each one (at last estimate) became too much for them.
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Re: Two Robots Die at Fuhushima

Post by Gabrielbtst » July 18th, 2017, 12:42 pm

Interesting news

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