Time Travel

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Re: Time Travel

Post by Present awareness » June 14th, 2018, 11:17 am

Halc wrote:
June 14th, 2018, 10:25 am
Present awareness wrote:
June 14th, 2018, 9:12 am
If you think about it, you will realize that there was never a time in your life when it wasn’t the present moment.
You simply choose to assume this. I claim no proof of such, but I strongly suspect that no moment of my life takes place in the present. One has to beg the answer to assert otherwise. OK, so I am begging a different answer, and thus claim no proof.
Present awareness wrote:
June 14th, 2018, 9:47 am
The concept of time is very useful for making plans, but an unfortunate and untimely death, would put those plans into a different perspective.
My death will not end time or halt my plans. It just halts the making of new plans. The demise of all humanity might end the concept, which ends time only for idealists.
If someone were to ask you what time it is, there will never be a time in your life, when you cannot say “it is now”. You may point to a mechanical device on the wall and give them some number, which is an agreed upon time and you will also be right. It is now, everywhere on the planet, regardless of what time zone you are in. If Planet X were to hit earth and destroy the planet, half the people would die in their sleep and the other half in the middle of the day, but all would die in the same present moment.

How much time went by before you were born? You will have no memory of it of course, so you must rely on what someone tells you. Could be 13.7 billion years, if you believe in the Big Bang theory, could be shorter if you believe in creationism or it could be that you have always been here and this is just your current present form.
Even though you can see me, I might not be here.

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Re: Time Travel

Post by Halc » June 14th, 2018, 1:07 pm

Present awareness wrote:
June 14th, 2018, 11:17 am

If someone were to ask you what time it is, there will never be a time in your life, when you cannot say “it is now”.
Quite the contrary. I'm saying is it not now. There is no now for it to be.
How much time went by before you were born?
Time doesn't 'go by'. Even you seem to agree with that.

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Re: Time Travel

Post by MrE » June 14th, 2018, 3:29 pm

Halc wrote:
June 14th, 2018, 9:42 am
Halc wrote:
June 13th, 2018, 10:45 pm
It's all a crock of course, so fiction is wide open to it.
Another one I forgot is Predestination. My favorite part is the song playing on the jukebox in the bar scene.
Back to the Future is a great one too. Netflix's shows "Dark", the German one, does time travel very well.

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Re: Time Travel

Post by Felix » June 14th, 2018, 5:26 pm

chewybrian: Maybe if I make plans to be everywhere, I can become God.
Not likely, perhaps Evel Knievel.... would certainly cut way down on your travel expenses though.
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Re: Time Travel

Post by ThomasHobbes » June 14th, 2018, 6:39 pm

chewybrian wrote:
June 14th, 2018, 9:38 am
Maybe if I make plans to be everywhere, I can become God.
You can make plans, but I don't think that is enough.

But the thread topic would have you make plans to be everywhen.

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Re: Time Travel

Post by eyesofastranger » June 24th, 2018, 1:08 pm

I have in the past been deemed way off topic but the mention of Hollywood paradoxes, well here goes. Time is not a constant but a variable. Time moves at a different rate at your feet compared to your head. The rate of how many right now you experience is relative to the gravity field you currently exist in. Time and gravity are one and the same locked together by the gravitational constant.
Travelling back in time is the dead end. Assuming you could exceed the mass of light speed and pass the event horizon. As of right now we have no physics to explain what happens there. Changing the rate time passes on this side of the event horizon is well described.

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Re: Time Travel

Post by ThomasHobbes » June 24th, 2018, 4:08 pm

eyesofastranger wrote:
June 24th, 2018, 1:08 pm
Travelling back in time is the dead end. Assuming you could exceed the mass of light speed and pass the event horizon.
It's not a dead end. It is physically, logically and conceptually meaningless. You can only go forwards.

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Re: Time Travel

Post by eyesofastranger » June 25th, 2018, 6:58 am

You can only go forwards
As a practicing Humanist maybe I have no place at a philosophy forum. I do understand your time as a concept now but my orthodox is the scientific principle. Agreed the past is a concept in so much as you can't change it but tell that to my ex-wife. The past is a series of cumulative events that form the now. You can't reflect on the now you, without the you past forming your reality. My relativity comments where to point out the absolute existence of time as a reality.
The question then becomes if you can't change it does it then become a concept.
CONCEPT 1 (Lat. conceptus, a thought, from concipere, to take together, combine in thought
Apologies but I am forever the Humanist and that has genuine past implications.

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Re: Time Travel

Post by Steve3007 » June 25th, 2018, 11:25 am

Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

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Re: Time Travel

Post by ThomasHobbes » June 25th, 2018, 3:38 pm

eyesofastranger wrote:
June 25th, 2018, 6:58 am
You can only go forwards
As a practicing Humanist maybe I have no place at a philosophy forum. I do understand your time as a concept now but my orthodox is the scientific principle. Agreed the past is a concept in so much as you can't change it but tell that to my ex-wife. The past is a series of cumulative events that form the now. You can't reflect on the now you, without the you past forming your reality. My relativity comments where to point out the absolute existence of time as a reality.
The question then becomes if you can't change it does it then become a concept.
CONCEPT 1 (Lat. conceptus, a thought, from concipere, to take together, combine in thought
Apologies but I am forever the Humanist and that has genuine past implications.
What are you talking about?
I describe the exact scientific orthodoxy.
What has humanism got to do with it?

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Re: Time Travel

Post by eyesofastranger » July 6th, 2018, 7:50 am

ThomasHobbes wrote

I describe the exact scientific orthodoxy
I knew you would say that so I'll try to better.
There is a condition caused by severe brain damage known as suspended vegetative state. People afflicted lack the ability to form concepts. Zero ability to recall even the basic instinct of the need for food or water, no language recall. Kept alive artificially. Drop a lead ball on this person and frame by frame they lack the ability to conceptualize the outcome of impact. Then no understanding of what caused the pain or what an injury even is. For those not afflicted the past becomes a logical necessity to a concept.

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Re: Time Travel

Post by Nothingman » July 28th, 2018, 7:24 am

Well I think if you can physically travel through time we might need be able to precisely predict where the earth would be. I mean if you traveled to the next three seconds in the future the earth would be pretty far away I think because of the movement of our orbit around the sun, the movement of our solar system through the galaxy and the galaxies movement through the universe. We would probably end up somewhere in space if "places" in space exist.
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Re: Time Travel

Post by Present awareness » July 28th, 2018, 10:17 pm

What we call “now” is the unchanging reference point, to which all time is referred. All that came before now, we call the past and all that comes after now, we call the future, but “now” itself, never moves. Since it is now, everywhere in the universe, it is not physically possible to travel to a point that isn’t now, like to the past or future. Only in imagination, may we make such a journey.
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