Deep Fake Technology

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Fooloso4
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Deep Fake Technology

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An opinion piece in today’s New York Times asks the question: “Will Deep-Fake Technology Destroy Democracy?”. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/opin ... dline&te=1

The headline may seem dire but the potential consequences of deep fake technology go much further in eroding the increasingly indistinguishable line between truth and lies. Someone caught on camera saying or doing something they deny saying or doing is evidence of them lying … or not. Deep fake technology makes photoshop look like a child drawing with crayons.

The article shows a video of Obama talking about the problem, https://youtu.be/cQ54GDm1eL0, only he’s not.

The article links to a report which lays things out in greater detail not only with regard to political but personal consequences: https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.ph ... 20&EXT=pdf
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It's definitely scary, and what's scarier is that it's becoming more advanced very quickly. Surely we have to develop some kind of software/program that can detect the "tells" of a Deep Fake video versus an actual one.

But honestly, an even scarier issue is the amount of people who would easily fall for a Deep Fake video - especially if used as a weapon in politics. Imagine a Deep Fake video of a politician saying some abominable things being circulated in social media, and the number of folks who would proudly share it without a clue. Or who would deny the truth, when shown. Democracy in danger? Yes, and perhaps democracy run rampant. Scary, indeed.
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More nails in the coffin that Murdoch and the Kochs built for democracy in the Anglosphere to ensure a peaceful handover of power to the societies "rightful" owners, billionaires and multinational companies.
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The importance of tech fakes now that we are in the Post Factual era is blunted. The sort of folks who would believe a fake video of Obama declaring he is Kenyan is only slightly larger than the percentage who currently believe it without any evidence whatsoever.
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Fooloso4 wrote: October 17th, 2018, 10:34 am An opinion piece in today’s New York Times asks the question: “Will Deep-Fake Technology Destroy Democracy?”. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/opin ... dline&te=1

The headline may seem dire but the potential consequences of deep fake technology go much further in eroding the increasingly indistinguishable line between truth and lies. Someone caught on camera saying or doing something they deny saying or doing is evidence of them lying … or not. Deep fake technology makes photoshop look like a child drawing with crayons.

The article shows a video of Obama talking about the problem, https://youtu.be/cQ54GDm1eL0, only he’s not.

The article links to a report which lays things out in greater detail not only with regard to political but personal consequences: https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.ph ... 20&EXT=pdf
It's Truth Decay.
Scary but it's happening now, Never mind the future.
From the article:

'But, as always, the same technology that contains the opportunity for good also provides an opening for its opposite. As a result, we find ourselves on the cusp of a new world — one in which it will be impossible, literally, to tell what is real from what is invented.

Since Donald Trump became president, we’ve almost become accustomed to his incessant, berserk gobbledygook. Last week, in his second-most dishonest week as president, he made 129 false statements at four campaign rallies and a news conference (his record was 133 lies, in August).'

What is the solution ?
To become more aware ? Hmmm, goes so far but doesn't really cut it, does it ?
Laws ?
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Can we believe the statement about Trump and his false statements ? The included link:
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/anal ... laims.html
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I love the way they right off the bat mention Putin, who I am sure would be interested in such things, rather than, say, corporations or the richest nation with the best technology. I've thought about this for a long time. Presumably governments and corporations have always had the ability to create technology ahead of any forensic team and certainly most of us.

It's coming?! Come on, this is has been around for a long time. When it has been used, against whom, for what...well, that I don't know.
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So obviously FAKE.
Only a damn fool would be convinced.
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Georgeanna wrote: October 18th, 2018, 7:58 am Can we believe the statement about Trump and his false statements ? The included link:
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/anal ... laims.html
That is brain bending. Even with the most generous interpretations Trump obviously just says what he thinks will further his aims, not what he thinks is true. He is an outrageous serial liar and the tragedy is that anyone believes a thing he says. Politicians have always done this but Trump had done with politics what Murdoch did with the media - noticed some voluntary codes that weren't binding but restricted other operators.

By treating codes of honour as loopholes Murdoch and Trump gained a significant advantage over other players in tight fields, giving them many more options and possibilities. All that was needed was to disregard morals - to sell their souls.
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The incident at the White House press briefing in which White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders falsely accused CNN journalist Jim Acosta of assaulting an intern seems to show that what might be called "Shallow Fake Technology" is already being used, by the person who's job it is to communicate on behalf of the president.

Original footage of the incident shows clearly that the guy was pointing at the president and that the intern reached across him to try to wrestle the microphone from his hand. Nothing more than that.
Doctored footage, created by Infowars, apparently uses selective speeding up and slowing down of the video to try to imply that Acosta karate-chopped her arm away.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -chop.html

This was the footage that Sanders chose to use. I wonder if she will face up to this? She's certainly going down a dangerous path if she decides to stick with this and not apologise.
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We should start to worry when there are several different recordings all reporting something completely different at the same conference. If there are two stories then it’s easier to sort out ... but imagine if you watched several different conflicting narratives!
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We'd probably feel the inclination to retreat to Dunbar-sized units of culture since the only hope we'd have of making sense of the world would be through people who we could personally account for. Also some small but maybe significant chance of us throwing ourselves, willfully, full-throttle into a dark age where we start killing people for so much as touching the means of production for such things.
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