What means "Mille e tre"?

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What means "Mille e tre"?

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Hi

Peter Marton in his paper, "Achilles versus the Tortise: The Battle over Modus Ponens" uses the probably Latin phrase "Mille e tre", but I do not know what it meanes and ask my friends, spicially ape, to apprise me its meaning.

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Mille e tre is Italian for 1003 (one thousand and three). It was specifically used in George Bernard Shaw's play "Man and Superman" in context to Achilles.
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Re: What means "Mille e tre"?

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mahdi wrote:Hi

Peter Marton in his paper, "Achilles versus the Tortise: The Battle over Modus Ponens" uses the probably Latin phrase "Mille e tre", but I do not know what it meanes and ask my friends, spicially ape, to apprise me its meaning.

Thanks
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Hi Mahdi!

Juice gives you excellent info too as back ground to confirm what I think it is.

The British upperclass with their Oxford accents do not pronounce the word 'military' as 'mill ee tary' with the vowels pronounced in the long drawn-out way, but say it exactly like 'mille e tre' with the vowels pronounced short and clipped!

You have to say it aloud and or ask any brit to say the word military!

So since Achilles was a mille e tre man, ---GBS and now Peter Marton gave Achilles that name to go with A Kill-Ease!:idea:

Makes perfect sense to me.:)

Hey, Mahdi, you can come up with your own take!
You can take this as your own take on Achilles with compliments from Juice and I:
A Chill Ease!:idea: :)
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Excellent Ape!':)' "Militaire" is French for military. Aren't words and their equal opposite, conjoined meanings great.
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Juice wrote:Excellent Ape!':)' "Militaire" is French for military. Aren't words and their equal opposite, conjoined meanings great.
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Mille e tre is Italian, meaning one thousand three, and it is the number of women Don Giovanni (of Mozart) 'has conquered' in Spain. The others: 640 in Italy, 231 in Germany, 100 in France, and 91 in Turkey. The part the figure 1003 is mentioned is one of the most sarcastic moments of the opera.
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I haven't read Marton's text, but you can find a conection between Aquilles and Don Giovanni in Lacan's Seminar book 20 near the end of the first chapter [Book XX: Encore, (Seuil, 1975) Translated by B. Fink as Encore, On Feminine Sexuality: The Limits of Love and Knowledge (Norton, 1998)]. Lacan regards the relationship between Aquilles and Briseis as if the chaser can never hold the totality of the other, especially when it's a woman. Aquilles takes Briseis as his sex slave, after Aquilles has had her, she (as the tortoise) gives another step, becoming somewhat unreachable: Lacan says Achilles can only surpass the tortoise, but in order to reach her it could be only in the infinite (Zeno's paradox). However the tortoise is also in the same situation, her step is each time smaller, so she is unable to reach the limit, which is why both would only meet in the infinite, a situation that would deem impossible, it's an impasse. Lacan partly uses this to explain why the sexual relation does not exist. The conection with 1003 can be made by refering to Don Giovanni when Leporello (the servant) is giving the "catalogue" of the women his master has had (1003 women in Spain): the sexual relation doesn't exist, each woman is different, just going one by one is how in it's uniqueness, it's singularity, the inifinte becomes compact, further beyond reachable and at the same time as the innermost space possible.
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Mille e tre is Italian for a thousand and three. When Mussolini read "Mein Kampf", he was most likely very jealous of Hitler's empire, which was to last a thousand years (exactly). So Mussolini's foot servant, who was given to sadness seeing the anxiety in his master's countenance, blurted out, "Mille e tre", meaning "a el imperio romano Italiano de tandemere usque annee mille e tre", that is, the Italian empire will last a thousand and three years.

-- Updated 2017 August 21st, 1:25 pm to add the following --

Nota Bene: since the conquest of Egypt by the Romans, the most any empire managed to stay on top as world leading top dog empire was more-or-less about three hundred years. This is the track record for the Roman Empire, for the Ottoman Turkish Empire, for England the Glorious (from the Industrial revolution to the end of WWII, at which point Great Britain started to lose her colonies, one by one), and for the Hapsburg Empire. Current empires that have a chance to last that long, and they are still contesters, are the San Marino Empire, the Andorra Empire, the Liechtenstein Empire, and the Monaco Grand Duche. (Or Duchy.)

I don't know about African, pre-Colombian Torontonian, Australian and Fiji, and Asian Empires.

-- Updated 2017 August 21st, 1:31 pm to add the following --
Rabino_cosmico wrote: Lacan partly uses this to explain why the sexual relation does not exist. The conection with 1003 can be made by refering to Don Giovanni when Leporello (the servant) is giving the "catalogue" of the women his master has had (1003 women in Spain): the sexual relation doesn't exist, each woman is different, just going one by one is how in it's uniqueness, it's singularity, the inifinte becomes compact, further beyond reachable and at the same time as the innermost space possible.
Are you saying, that dating diminishes as time and speed increases? Lacan's theory smoothly transitions the Little Hole theory into quantum mechanics, and the hole thing starts to make sense now to me.

From here on I'll stay clear away from speed dating.
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