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Wizard
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Negative Feedback

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This philosophy forum suffers from poor moderator judgment and petty micro-management of posts.

Posts supposedly are deleted for being "off-topic". But why is the whole post deleted, instead of just the off-topic sections? If I post a 3-page response then the whole 3-pages are deleted because a few sentences are off-topic? This is ridiculous.

Furthermore I go back, rewrite the 3-pages to keep it "on-topic". And then it gets deleted again because you "cannot repost a deleted response". Why not? Why can't I repost a deleted response when I specifically edited it myself to keep it on-topic?

Now I obviously won't name names. But this moderator should be removed in my opinion. Very petty, poor judgment, and micro-managing, all of this stifles true, proper philosophy from occurring and becoming discussed & discoursed.

Put philosophers in charge of philosophy discussions, not petty micro-managers who trip & stumble over themselves.
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Your entire post was off-topic so the entire post was deleted and you were properly notified. You then re-posted the same post in it's original form without modification.

It's simple. Keep your posts on topic and they won't be deleted.

I will forward the saved text of the deleted post to the site admin for further review and determination.

The forum rules are listed quite clearly here.
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Wizard
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Re: Negative Feedback

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The "entire posts" were not off-topic, just small sections.

You deleted the entire post. I changed it, to keep it on-topic. You deleted it again. You're not doing your job. You should be assisting posters to keep posts on-topic instead of issuing standardized warnings.

Are you for improving discussion or hassling posters? You should be attempting to help me, not hurt me, as a philosophy moderator.

You're not doing your job.
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Re: Negative Feedback

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Indeed, the moderation of this forum seems to be based on arbitrary, petty and purposeless decisions.
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Re: Negative Feedback

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Wizard wrote:The "entire posts" were not off-topic, just small sections.
The ENTIRE post was off-topic. I have forwarded it to the site admin for verification.
Wizard wrote:I changed it
No you did not. You just re-posted it.
Wizard wrote:You deleted it again.
Because it was the same off-topic post.
Wizard wrote:You're not doing your job.
This is not my "job". I have volunteered to help moderate the forums and you should be helping to make doing that easier for all of us.
Wizard wrote:You should be assisting posters to keep posts on-topic instead of issuing standardized warnings.
Posters should be reading the rules of the forum that the site admin has thoughtfully laid out in a clear and concise manner, and which he has made easily accessible by all members. It is the job of posters to read and understand them, and then abide by them when posting.
Wizard wrote:You should be attempting to help me, not hurt me, as a philosophy moderator.

You're not doing your job.
It is not my job to teach you how to post on a philosophy forum with restraint and maturity.

Thanks for your feedback. Good luck to you in your future postings.
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Re: Negative Feedback

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Wizard wrote:Posts supposedly are deleted for being "off-topic". But why is the whole post deleted, instead of just the off-topic sections?
1) Editing the post is often more time-consuming for the moderator than deleting it and letting the poster edit it themselves and repost it. It is completely unfair that the moderator would be expected to have their valuable time consumed because someone else violated the forum rules.

2) Editing the posts effectively turns the post into a misquote of the original poster. When I do edit a post by another member to try to change it from a rule-breaking post into a rule-abiding post, I am essentially speaking for the original poster by trying to figure out what their rule-abiding intention was. Even when editing is just removing some words or sentences, doing so can be alleged to drastically change the meaning of the post.

3) Editing posts for rule-breaking members enables those members who disregard the forum rules, disregard the time and effort it takes to moderate the posts on this forum, and disregard board warnings. Having posters rewrite their own posts rather than doing it for them also helps make sure they acknowledge and understand the forum rules including what in their posts was unacceptable and why.

As for the particular matter at hand, it seems the above points are irrelevant because the moderator didn't believe that just part of the post was off-topic but the whole thing.
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Scott wrote:3) Editing posts for rule-breaking members enables those members who disregard the forum rules, disregard the time and effort it takes to moderate the posts on this forum, and disregard board warnings. Having posters rewrite their own posts rather than doing it for them also helps make sure they acknowledge and understand the forum rules including what in their posts was unacceptable and why.
Any moderator who deletes posts (internet censorship, anti Free Speech) should become prepared with reasons & justification. Spiral Out is wrong here; because he deleted a whole post in which only a few minor parts were "off-topic". I then deleted those "off-topic" parts and reposted completely "on-topic". Spiral Out deleted again; because he is too quick to abuse his moderation powers. He is power-hungry & petty in my opinion. He is a typical, shallow, micro-manager, who feels the compulsion to insert himself everywhere on the forum he doesn't necessarily belong.

That said, it is his responsibility, and your responsibility as forum administrator, to prepare valid reasons & justifications for your censorships. And let me just say here how disgusting Censorship is, in America. I hope this server and its staff do not live in the United States. Since these methods of silencing & stifling philosophy discourse are against everything America stands for.

That said I only will post "on-topic" material. And I volunteer to change/correct/re-edit/censor myself where this "off-topic" material exists.

Because I am here in good faith unlike Spiral Out. He oversteps his bounds, without expecting backlash or being checked.

He was wrong, plain & simple. He proved that he is not here to "moderate", but instead, micro-manage. Because if he was here to moderate then he would have helped me stay "on-topic" the second time around, instead of compulsively issuing a "board warning". This proves the fact. He is not here to help and push philosophy forward, but to pull it back to his own small understanding.

Scott wrote:As for the particular matter at hand, it seems the above points are irrelevant because the moderator didn't believe that just part of the post was off-topic but the whole thing.
It ultimately doesn't matter what Spiral Out believes is on/off-topic. He is not the forum administrator, you are. So this issue must ascend up the ladder to you, until you resolve it.

The Forum Administrator ultimately is responsible for all areas of the forum, do you agree?

That said, who truly is the authority on what constitutes "on" or "off" topic? And where is the line drawn when moderators abuse their power, as Spiral Out is guilty of. You should punish Spiral Out or give him a board warning for abuse of power. Because he deleted a completely "on-topic" response after I took all the stuff out that he personally, subjectively didn't like. (censored myself to appease him, yet he still was petty and vain)
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Re: Negative Feedback

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Wizard wrote:he is too quick to abuse his moderation powers. He is power-hungry & petty in my opinion. He is a typical, shallow, micro-manager, who feels the compulsion to insert himself everywhere on the forum he doesn't necessarily belong.
Wizard wrote:Because I am here in good faith unlike Spiral Out.
Wizard wrote:He proved that he is not here to "moderate", but instead, micro-manage.
Wizard wrote:He is not here to help and push philosophy forward, but to pull it back to his own small understanding.
Wizard wrote:he still was petty and vain
This is completely unacceptable to personally attack any member of this forum like this. If you do this again, I will put your account on probation. I consider leaving the ridiculous, distracting above list of attacks here only because the utter absurdity of an alleged appeal made up of such personally attacking nonsense shows said appeal to be self-defeating. I may indeed delete this and perhaps even the whole topic after consideration, likely with an adjustment to the forum rules and/or the description of the feedback forum that will make such policy more clear.

I am locking this topic. If you wish to appeal the decision to delete one of your posts, or would like pre-approval from me of the edited version of the post, or explanation of why one of your posts has been rejected, you can post the actual text of the post verbatim in a PM to me or in a new topic in the feedback section, free from attacking other members--especially a volunteer moderator--with your irrelevant claims about their intentions or character, claims that are as baseless as they are irrelevant since none of us are mindreaders. You will show me the post you wish to make or the denied post the denial of which you question, and I will express my judgement of the text of that post in the context of the topic in which it was posted. And we can discuss back and forth on the matter of that post without personal attacks against any member until we have an understanding of whether or not the post violates the forum rules or not including whether or not it is on topic or not.
My entire political philosophy summed up in one tweet.

"The mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master."

I believe spiritual freedom (a.k.a. self-discipline) manifests as bravery, confidence, grace, honesty, love, and inner peace.
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