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Post Number:#1  Postby Roel » October 20th, 2016, 4:00 pm

Would it be a good idea to add genders in profile? Instead of just male/female we could do:
*Male
*Female
*Unisex
*Transgender
*Doesn't want to say

Instead, so that we can satisfy everyone.
The reason why this would be useful is because several topics are related to gender and it wouldn't be unnecessary information to know someones gender. In one topic someone said: I haven't heard any males about it, while I 'm male and responded, if genders are available we can prevent such misunderstandings.

It stays free of choice of course, if you don't want your gender to play any role in discussions, you can choose the fourth option or not fill it in at all.

-- Updated October 23rd, 2016, 7:42 am to add the following --

With fourth I ment fifth.
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#2  Postby TSBU » October 23rd, 2016, 1:13 pm

-hermaphrodite
-XYY
-XXY
-I have my own gender
-I don't have gender, I'm an alien and in my specie there is only one gender, I'm pretty much a clon.
-Whatever you pay for, honey.
-I don't know, but I will fight for my right to have a big list with many useless names for something that doesn't even have a clear definition.
-Other.

Why would you want to know that in a philosophy forum?
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#3  Postby Roel » October 23rd, 2016, 1:17 pm

TSBU wrote:-hermaphrodite
-XYY
-XXY
-I have my own gender
-I don't have gender, I'm an alien and in my specie there is only one gender, I'm pretty much a clon.
-Whatever you pay for, honey.
-I don't know, but I will fight for my right to have a big list with many useless names for something that doesn't even have a clear definition.
-Other.

Why would you want to know that in a philosophy forum?


You obviously didn't read my OP, I explained it there. Please read the OP. And don't be ridiculous, I just want unisex and transgenders to be able to pick tgat too.
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#4  Postby TSBU » October 23rd, 2016, 3:08 pm

I read it.

-- Updated October 23rd, 2016, 3:10 pm to add the following --

I just don't see that as a reason to put gender in profile, if you are going to ask.
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#5  Postby Roel » October 23rd, 2016, 3:53 pm

TSBU wrote:I read it.

-- Updated October 23rd, 2016, 3:10 pm to add the following --

I just don't see that as a reason to put gender in profile, if you are going to ask.


A reason to put a gender in profiles:
* Sometimes a user wants to know if someone is male/female regardless of the discussion
* In discussions about abortion it might be relevant what your gender is.
* In discussions about feminism it is relevant what your gender is.
* In discussions about sexuality it might be relevant what your gender is.
* It prevents confusion in the gender of someone who responded to your topic.
* This topic has good moderation, so people insulting or abusing users based on gendet can get a warning or ban
* People can also insult others based on location too, so I don't get why gender isn't included
* Regarding humans as equal in a discussion doesn't mean that you can deny them having a gender on a forum
* Most forums have gender included
* sometimes it's just nice to know someones gender, it adds more dimension to the user to know this as gender is a fundamental individual aspect which is related to his/her philosophical thinking, look at Simone de Beauvoir and Hannah Arendt.
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#6  Postby TSBU » October 23rd, 2016, 4:30 pm

Roel wrote:* Sometimes a user wants to know if someone is male/female regardless of the discussion

And sometimes, a user wants to know if someone use glasses, regardless of the discussion.

Roel wrote:* In discussions about abortion it might be relevant what your gender is.
* In discussions about feminism it is relevant what your gender is.

Why?
Roel wrote:* In discussions about sexuality it might be relevant what your gender is.

In discussions about age, it might be relevant how old we are. In discussions about different kinds of societis, it might be relevant were are we from. In discussions about handicaps, it might be relevant if you have one. In discussions about... And so, we can say it in the topic.

Roel wrote:* It prevents confusion in the gender of someone who responded to your topic.

... are you explaining that saying your gender stop people confusion about your gender? Anyway, this is internet, many people has fake profiles, and many people put a nick acording to their sex (Scott is a male, Greta is a woman), so the option of saying your sex if you think that it's usefull, is there. I know some women who don't say their sex to stop flies arroud them or be listened, and some men who do the oposite to get attention, be treated with more respect, or trolling.

Roel wrote:* This topic has good moderation, so people insulting or abusing users based on gendet can get a warning or ban
* People can also insult others based on location too, so I don't get why gender isn't included

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying it's useless, so you are asking yourself questions and answering yourself... about something I've never said. Also, it's ridiculous to add some categories, but,if they are added, I want more.
Roel wrote:* Regarding humans as equal in a discussion doesn't mean that you can deny them having a gender on a forum

I'm not saying "Say that you have a dick should be banned", I'm saying that it's not important to add that feature to the forum. But if that's added, then keep it simple, don't start with "transgender" etc, or add everybody, including XXY people etc if you want...

Roel wrote:* Most forums have gender included

Well, in my language, "gender" is something different than "sex", but, yes, most of people can be defined as males or females. And all people is taller or equal than 1,50, or smaller than 1,50, but that's not in the profile.

Roel wrote:* sometimes it's just nice to know someones gender, it adds more dimension to the user to know this as gender is a fundamental individual aspect which is related to his/her philosophical thinking, look at Simone de Beauvoir and Hannah Arendt.

Well, I don't agree. Of course, I don't decide, so maybe the feature is added, I'm just saying what I think. Anyway, if you want to know about a person, or test your "gender knowledge", you can always ask in a pm.
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#7  Postby Burning ghost » October 23rd, 2016, 8:30 pm

It could be useful for some topics of discussion. If you really wanted to know for some reason then I think it best simply to PM the individual/s in question.
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#8  Postby Scott » October 30th, 2016, 7:53 pm

I think that the poster's gender is ad hominem. The arguments posted on the forums should be considered the same whether they are written by a monkey randomly pressing keys or whatever the case may be.
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#9  Postby Roel » October 31st, 2016, 10:13 am

Scott wrote:I think that the poster's gender is ad hominem. The arguments posted on the forums should be considered the same whether they are written by a monkey randomly pressing keys or whatever the case may be.


But can't the location be ad hominem too? I got some very rude remarks for being Dutch on a forum when I said not wanting to use a credit card to pay for something and made jokes about Dutch people not wanting to spend money.
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#10  Postby Scott » October 31st, 2016, 11:30 am

To consider anything in the profile as being relevant to the philosophical arguments and debates posted on the site would be ad hominem, I think. Thus, I'm skeptical of adding new items to the profile if the reason given to do so is to use that information to judge the arguments those posters post.

Let me take a step back, though. Why do you want gender added exactly?
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#11  Postby Roel » October 31st, 2016, 11:36 am

Scott wrote:To consider anything in the profile as being relevant to the philosophical arguments and debates posted on the site would be ad hominem, I think. Thus, I'm skeptical of adding new items to the profile if the reason given to do so is to use that information to judge the arguments those posters post.

Let me take a step back, though. Why do you want gender added exactly?


Well, of the reasons I gave these are most important:

* It prevents confusion in the gender of someone who responded to your topic.
* sometimes it's just nice to know someones gender, it adds more dimension to the user to know this as gender is a fundamental individual aspect which is related to his/her philosophical thinking, look at Simone de Beauvoir and Hannah Arendt.

Despite our brains being wired differently, men and women have the same intelligence, so I don't think that knowing somebody being female would lead to any denigrating remarks here, as philosophers are intelligent people who won't do it.

As I said, it's a CHOICE, if you don't want to be judged by gender, you can choose to not fill it in, but it might be beneficial to prevent confusion and it might help to understand other users better, I once replied in a topic about men, but was misperceived as woman as there are no genders and this could prevent such misunderstandings.
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#12  Postby TSBU » October 31st, 2016, 1:25 pm

Roel wrote:
Well, of the reasons I gave these are most important:

* It prevents confusion in the gender of someone who responded to your topic.

I don't think that's important at all. Who is the person you want to know about? when you don't have their name, you have their photo, when you don't have their photo, you have the way everybody treats them, saying "her" or "he", if they are wrong, and the user doesn't mind, it's ok, if he or she cares, in the strange cases when you have to say "he or she said" and not "username said" (if that cases exist), the mistake will be etremely rare, only with new users.
Roel wrote:* sometimes it's just nice to know someones gender, it adds more dimension to the user to know this as gender is a fundamental individual aspect which is related to his/her philosophical thinking, look at Simone de Beauvoir and Hannah Arendt.

Your second sentence is redundant. Scott asked why do you want it and yoy answered that yoy want it because it is nice.
Roel wrote:Despite our brains being wired differently, men and women have the same intelligence, so I don't think that knowing somebody being female would lead to any denigrating remarks here, as philosophers are intelligent people who won't do it.

Seeing an argument with different eyes is the important thing, it doesn't matter if you consider a person more intelligent, or more... something, about anything. Of course, when it comes to experience, only a woman knows how it is to have children, etc, but... as I said, only a tall man knows how it is to be a tall man. For example, age can be a big problem when you deal with someone.

Come to ths forum doesn't make a person intelligent or philosopher. Also, we usually don't have the same definitions for such things.

I think that our brains are not so different, but even if they were... so what? would that change what they say or how you see it? that's the thing to avoid! I've seen lot of stupid ideas about it, let say that you want to learn from "gender knowledge", well, you have your whole life to see people, knowing their sex, and see how they act, here, you have something perfect to test your knowledge, a small group of people when you don't always know the gender, you can test here what you've lerarnt outside. Anyway, as I said, people can lie.
Also, in some countries, differences between sex are very big, and people tend to move on what they are used to. So... if an arabic woman comes here, it can be more difficult to her escape from their culture, feel free to express some things, etc (and I'm saying that as an example, I'm not saying that all people in a country are the same).

Roel wrote:As I said, it's a CHOICE, if you don't want to be judged by gender, you can choose to not fill it in, but it might be beneficial to prevent confusion and it might help to understand other users better, I once replied in a topic about men, but was misperceived as woman as there are no genders and this could prevent such misunderstandings.

It won't help to understand other users better. Why? You can see the problem in your example, people look authomaticaly if you are a man or a woman, al they look, all they think, after reading you, is "what is the sex".
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#13  Postby Roel » October 31st, 2016, 1:39 pm

TSBU wrote:
Roel wrote:
Well, of the reasons I gave these are most important:

* It prevents confusion in the gender of someone who responded to your topic.

I don't think that's important at all. Who is the person you want to know about? when you don't have their name, you have their photo, when you don't have their photo, you have the way everybody treats them, saying "her" or "he", if they are wrong, and the user doesn't mind, it's ok, if he or she cares, in the strange cases when you have to say "he or she said" and not "username said" (if that cases exist), the mistake will be etremely rare, only with new users.
Roel wrote:* sometimes it's just nice to know someones gender, it adds more dimension to the user to know this as gender is a fundamental individual aspect which is related to his/her philosophical thinking, look at Simone de Beauvoir and Hannah Arendt.

Your second sentence is redundant. Scott asked why do you want it and yoy answered that yoy want it because it is nice.
Roel wrote:Despite our brains being wired differently, men and women have the same intelligence, so I don't think that knowing somebody being female would lead to any denigrating remarks here, as philosophers are intelligent people who won't do it.

Seeing an argument with different eyes is the important thing, it doesn't matter if you consider a person more intelligent, or more... something, about anything. Of course, when it comes to experience, only a woman knows how it is to have children, etc, but... as I said, only a tall man knows how it is to be a tall man. For example, age can be a big problem when you deal with someone.


Exactly, this is why it is useful to have genders when talking about children, men etc.


Come to ths forum doesn't make a person intelligent or philosopher. Also, we usually don't have the same definitions for such things.


I however don't think that many people with few brain cells visit this forum.

I think that our brains are not so different, but even if they were... so what? would that change what they say or how you see it? that's the thing to avoid! I've seen lot of stupid ideas about it, let say that you want to learn from "gender knowledge", well, you have your whole life to see people, knowing their sex, and see how they act, here, you have something perfect to test your knowledge, a small group of people when you don't always know the gender, you can test here what you've lerarnt outside. Anyway, as I said, people can lie.


People can lie about their name or location too, people can even lie about their political opinions here.

Also, in some countries, differences between sex are very big, and people tend to move on what they are used to. So... if an arabic woman comes here, it can be more difficult to her escape from their culture, feel free to express some things, etc (and I'm saying that as an example, I'm not saying that all people in a country are the same).


It is a choice. If it works against her in some way, she doesn't have to fill it in, to include gender is for the people to whom it is useful.

Roel wrote:As I said, it's a CHOICE, if you don't want to be judged by gender, you can choose to not fill it in, but it might be beneficial to prevent confusion and it might help to understand other users better, I once replied in a topic about men, but was misperceived as woman as there are no genders and this could prevent such misunderstandings.

It won't help to understand other users better. Why? You can see the problem in your example, people look authomaticaly if you are a man or a woman, al they look, all they think, after reading you, is "what is the sex".


In some cases it helps, in others it doesn't. Don't fill it in if you don't want to be judged by it.

I regard Greta as a quite intelligent woman and if I read her posts or Scotts posts, I will keep their gender in mind, but in no way do I judge them negatively by it.
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#14  Postby Burning ghost » November 1st, 2016, 2:11 am

Roel -

Judgement is judgement. Negative judgememt is subjective. I act and speak differently depending on who I am speaking too even if I believe otherwise.

If I speak to a woman about feminism I unwillingly assume they will staunchly defend more radical feminist views I consider proposterous. I do think it is helpful in certain situations to know what gender say what on subjects about gender. I do believe that when I talk to someone deeply about a subject my opinions of who they are what they do where they live fall away and the discussion becomes more pure.

As an example. I have a certain opinion of you from your posts. They are not unfounded but may very well be very wrong. I make assumptions about you because of where you live and the subjects of your posts. I label you as possessing certain biases of opinion due to this information and I then reverse this bias back upon myself and wonder what it is that draws me to look at you as I do.

Btw I am male 38 and English. My age is probably the most significant piece of information. In regards to this topic my gender is the most important. I say this because we live in patriarchal societies and so my opinion (relative position) is one of greater freedom than that of women, in a generalised way.

Anonymity is a subject that interests me. I do question in the modern age of communication what right I have to say what I want anomynously. If I am defending white supremists, have a strong opinion about muslims, regard abortion as a crime etc,., do I still have the right to defend some politically extreme position from a secure position of anonymity? Do people not have some right to know who I am in public and directly question my views rather than being held at a distance through eletronic messages? If I am actively trying to bring people to my way of thinking and cause social movements to change government then the government can intervene yet the individual cannot see who they are talking to.

I don't think there is any easy answer to this. Freedom of speech can be good and bad.
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Re: Gender in profile

Post Number:#15  Postby Renee » November 1st, 2016, 5:14 am

TSBU wrote:-hermaphrodite
-XYY
-XXY
-I have my own gender
-I don't have gender, I'm an alien and in my specie there is only one gender, I'm pretty much a clon.
-Whatever you pay for, honey.
-I don't know, but I will fight for my right to have a big list with many useless names for something that doesn't even have a clear definition.
-Other.

Why would you want to know that in a philosophy forum?

Funny guy! (Or Gel.) *(etc.)

I personally would like to find that out for two reasons: 1. Whether to know if to fall in love with or simply to ignore another person's wildness... 2. General orientation. I like to know which way is "up", like astronauts to whom "up" and "down" is a disturbing concept, since for them this lacks. To me, another person can't be genderless. It is a bit, but not overly, unsettling, to speak to an obvious human but not know his or her gander or goose.

But I am just as happy to stay genderless, and move about among other gender-lesses in the population here. As long as every value-based characteristic remains universally applicable to each of us here, I'm happy.
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