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Re: New member frustrations

Post Number:#31  Postby Toadny » December 19th, 2016, 9:38 am

I read one chapter because Scott suggested it and I assumed he did that because he thought the book had some philosophical value. I was wrong, he already knew it was garbage.
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Re: New member frustrations

Post Number:#32  Postby Josefina1110 » December 19th, 2016, 10:34 am

Then garbage it is to you. Thanks. Why is it still there? It is there because it got 4 out of 4 stars review from the review team. You are insulting them, too. Scott had been urging me every day to put it on BOTD. But the publisher won't reduce the price to 2.99 which is the highest price for BOTD. I want it free but Scott doesn't want it free either more so the publisher.
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Re: New member frustrations

Post Number:#33  Postby Toadny » December 19th, 2016, 10:41 am

Josefina1110 wrote:Then garbage it is to you. Thanks. Why is it still there? It is there because it got 4 out of 4 stars review from the review team.


I've been wondering what could possibly be the matter with those people. Who were the review team? Have they been offered counselling?
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Re: New member frustrations

Post Number:#34  Postby Josefina1110 » December 19th, 2016, 11:02 am

Ask Scott.
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Post Number:#35  Postby Toadny » December 19th, 2016, 11:06 am

I already have.
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Re: New member frustrations

Post Number:#36  Postby Renee » December 21st, 2016, 12:50 am

Toadny wrote:I've been wondering what could possibly be the matter with those people. Who were the review team? Have they been offered counselling?

I don't know about counselling, but they have been offered money.

Please check out the last paragraph.

https://www.forewordreviews.com/reviews/the-voice-of-creation/ wrote:
The Voice of Creation


Reviewed by Melissa Wuske
May 2, 2016

This detailed defense of the biblical creation account benefits from its author’s multicultural and work-diverse background.

The Voice of Creation by J. Hudson Mitchell is a detailed defense of the biblical creation account and other tenets of Christian faith.

The author’s personal journey begins with a contemplation of the mystery of human existence in a vast universe, and what that means about God and how people relate to him. The book addresses the Genesis account of a six-day creation, then goes on to launch a defense of faith in God and in his works. It also examines the idea of God’s kingdom, from the nation of Israel (“the ultimate evidence of the existence of God”) to the present-day life of faith. Making familiar assertions of modern culture’s “crisis of belief,” Mitchell emphasizes that the Christian God is the one true God, then wrestles with the more practical challenge of living in a world of good and evil.

Mitchell’s book is filled with Christian scripture aimed to affirm the faith of those who believe in Jesus and to persuade those who don’t. While this book contains Mitchell’s personal beliefs, she bases them on the Bible and the interpretations of other Christian thinkers. There is some conjecture (such as that Adam must have been seven feet tall because seven is God’s perfect number); it’s usually tangential to the main point, but it still detracts from the veracity and precision of more fully formed arguments.

While Mitchell is firm in her beliefs and in her desire to bring others into agreement, her tone is not heavy-handed or antagonistic—she’s simply straightforwardly committed to her conclusions. As a result, the book is most likely to reinforce the convictions of like-minded people, rather than changing the minds of those who hold vastly different views. The book’s content will be most inspiring to those who are grappling with belief, and who want to walk forward in faith rather than being bogged down by doubt. For them, Mitchell will serve as an example of how to wrestle with the realities of faith while still trusting God.

In many ways, Mitchell is an average person of faith—not a theologian or biblical scholar—but her book is a testament to the depth of insight that comes from a long life of religious devotion and a relentless commitment to learning. She also brings a cross-cultural perspective, having spent childhood and young adulthood in her native Philippines, and demonstrates diverse ways of thinking drawn from professions in teaching, writing, and bookkeeping.

The Voice of Creation is one believer’s earnest affirmation of the existence, power, and purpose of the God of the Bible.

Disclosure: This article is not an endorsement, but a review. The author of this book provided free copies of the book and paid a small fee to have his/her book reviewed by a professional reviewer. Foreword Reviews and Clarion Review make no guarantee that the author will receive a positive review. Foreword Magazine, Inc. is disclosing this in accordance with the Federal Trade Commission’s 16 CFR, Part 255.

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Re: New member frustrations

Post Number:#37  Postby Roel » December 21st, 2016, 9:39 am

Renee wrote:
Josefina1110 wrote:When you join this group, you have to prepare yourself to be frustrated.



You're right. But they don't state this in the forum rules!! Neglective rule-making.
Josefina1110 wrote:You will be taking sides because philosophy deals mostly with controversial topics. You can't help but defend your view whatever it may be about an established ideology. It is like every action has an opposite reaction - positive/negative something like that. It depends on the trend of thoughts of the opposing minds.


Generally you are right, but there are exceptions. The exceptions being that once in a while a debating partner (I or the opposition) will give in and change our stance. The other exception is to this exception: the debaters about god never yield.

Some philosophical topics are not controversially contentious. Like "What is art".


God is very different because it touches our existence, if God is your existance, denying God is like denying your own existance. Atheists can only win when converting, a theist has a lot to lose.
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Re: New member frustrations

Post Number:#38  Postby Toadny » December 21st, 2016, 10:20 am

Renee wrote:I don't know about counselling, but they have been offered money.


I'd want danger money.

I wonder what she paid to have this garbage published. And I wonder what is going on in Scott's head.
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Re: New member frustrations

Post Number:#39  Postby Josefina1110 » December 21st, 2016, 12:53 pm

For your information that Review is not from Online Book Club. That review above is from Clarion Reviews. You should read the review by Scotts Review Team. It is found on Review Forum OnlineBookClub/Reviews. You will be more shocked.
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Post Number:#40  Postby Renee » December 22nd, 2016, 1:42 am

Roel wrote:God is very different because it touches our existence, if God is your existance, denying God is like denying your own existance. Atheists can only win when converting, a theist has a lot to lose.


You will be surprized to read this, but I feel the same way about having no god as you have about having a god. It is in ME, it is part of my essence to exist in a world with no god, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I would feel a great sense of loss if I had to lose my atheism.

Don't ask me why this is so. My inkling is that it's got tribal roots -- the ideology, which for a long time was only available in forms that connected it to supernaturalism, is a strong tribal bond, and atheism serves that for atheists, much like Christianity serves that for Christians.

You won't believe me, but an atheist feels EXACTLY the same way as a theist: we'd feel a great loss and we feel we can only lose by switching, while a theist can only gain by converting to atheism: freedom, from the unnatural yoke of being bound to the routines and expectations of a SOMETIMES merciful god.

I am not kidding you at all.

-- Updated December 22nd, 2016, 2:26 am to add the following --

Josefina1110 wrote:For your information that Review is not from Online Book Club. That review above is from Clarion Reviews. You should read the review by Scotts Review Team. It is found on Review Forum OnlineBookClub/Reviews. You will be more shocked.

Scott reviewed your book, Josephina1110, and there were no "teams". Just him, by himself alone, was the person to publish for himself a review of your book on "onlinebookclub.org".

Also, what he wrote was not shocking. It was quite reasonable what he had written.

For the edification of others, here's the text of Scott's review on Online Book Club:

http://forums.onlinebookclub.org/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=36993 wrote:Re: Official Review: The Voice of Creation
Post Number:#3 by Scott » 02 Aug 2016, 10:32

I'm curious. Do you think open-minded atheists would get much from the book?

If they are truly open-minded atheists, they would--I believe--also presumably have their thoughts just as sway-able by the many arguments for non-Abrahamic religions such as polytheism or by the countless different secular explanations for things even ones different than the mainstream such 'aliens did it'. In many ways, the more open-minded someone is, the harder it is to convince that person of a thing because the person is open-minded to all the alternatives besides of what one is trying to convince the person. I'm curious about this book in relation to that. What do you think?
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Re: New member frustrations

Post Number:#41  Postby Josefina1110 » December 22nd, 2016, 2:40 am

When you say bound from an unnatural yoke to the routines and expectations of a sometimes merciful god depends upon the god you are referring to. There are many gods and all expects to be respected and worshiped by those who believe in them like Budha and Allah. There is only one true God and that is the Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in it. There are always consequences in disobeying nature. When you go against the law of gravity, the higher you go the greater the impact of the fall. Same as the law of the Christian God which the law of the land is based. If you kill a person, you will be guilty of murder and suffer the consequence. God is the God of nature being the creator of everything. So His laws are consistent. That is why it is given to be made known by man to live according to His will otherwise you cannot escape the consequences. Atheists have so much to lose while theists have everything to gain. "To live is Christ and to die is gain." God invites all to believe in Him to have everlasting life.

-- Updated December 22nd, 2016, 2:45 am to add the following --

As an atheist what do you have to lose if you become a theist? The only thing you lose is the letter a. You gain everything else.
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Re: New member frustrations

Post Number:#42  Postby Renee » December 22nd, 2016, 1:27 pm

Josefina1110 wrote:When you say bound from an unnatural yoke to the routines and expectations of a sometimes merciful god depends upon the god you are referring to. There are many gods and all expects to be respected and worshiped by those who believe in them like Budha and Allah. There is only one true God and that is the Creator of heaven and earth and all that is in it. There are always consequences in disobeying nature. When you go against the law of gravity, the higher you go the greater the impact of the fall. Same as the law of the Christian God which the law of the land is based. If you kill a person, you will be guilty of murder and suffer the consequence. God is the God of nature being the creator of everything. So His laws are consistent. That is why it is given to be made known by man to live according to His will otherwise you cannot escape the consequences. Atheists have so much to lose while theists have everything to gain. "To live is Christ and to die is gain." God invites all to believe in Him to have everlasting life.

-- Updated December 22nd, 2016, 2:45 am to add the following --

As an atheist what do you have to lose if you become a theist? The only thing you lose is the letter a. You gain everything else.


With all due respect, and with no reflection on your persona or personality, Josephina1110, the type of writing what you wrote above always makes me want to puke.

This is not a joke, or intended as an insult. It is a fact. I can't stand reasonless religious rubbish to such deep extent.
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Re: New member frustrations

Post Number:#43  Postby Josefina1110 » December 22nd, 2016, 9:16 pm

Sorry! You may just want to puke but you will never puke on the Word of God unless you poke your throat with your finger to force a puke. That is just my part of the routine expected of me from my merciful God as you mentioned. Take it or leave it. You are not insulting me nor having any effect on my feelings. I'm sure you believe that there are laws of nature. One thing I can assure you is that if there is a law, there must be a legislator. Wrong?
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