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Do you want me to create a "Philosophy of Science" forum?

Poll ended at October 5th, 2009, 9:03 pm

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Invictus_88- "Scientific pronouncements, articles and research papers all have a certain fundamental epistemological standpoint, so there's not much philosophical variation until you start talking about ethical ramifications (Ethics, not Philosophy of Science) or Scientific Epistemology itself (bona fide Philosophy of Science, but quite narrow as an area for discussion)."

But you wouldn't know, since you have never tired huh, I mean thats just your logical take on it?

All regions worship a god, or have a belief system derived from some old book, nothing similar there?
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wanabe wrote:But you wouldn't know, since you have never tired huh, I mean thats just your logical take on it?

All regions worship a god, or have a belief system derived from some old book, nothing similar there?
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i. Nothing personal about it. I'm talking about academic philosophy. Ethical ramifications of scientific matters are taught and discussed under Ethics, whereas the ethical ramifications of religious matters are more usually discussed under Philosophy of Religion. I'm just telling you how things stand and why.

ii. They have differing foundational principles. They don't even all have a god, so I don't think your position matches reality here.

iii. Mild scotopic sensitivity makes it much easier to proof-read and re-read my posts in dark blue.
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If you have never tried discussing science, the way religion has been debated, then it is not fair to say it can't be discussed in the same way.

Religions do have some differing foundational principals but they all have a book, or a god, or oral traditions (like I said before)... The commonality they share is that they are born of superstitious with old/practical logic system. There purpose is all the same: to help, to explain the unexplainable; just like science. So you haven't adequately analyzed my position here.


I wrote in "darkblue" cause you said it helped you.

As a pholosophy student, as you always will be even if you gain the title of professor or doctor one day, you can't say "this" is how things are.
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wanabe wrote:I think a philosophy of business section would be good too scott...
A philosophy of business amounts to one of two things:

1) Business.
2) Ethics.

Philosophy isn't about business, and you don't need to talk about business to discuss ethics.
I'm guessing that Scott doesn't want a business forum here, any more than he wants a sports forum here, or a stamp-collector's forum, or even a science forum.

I want to repeat something important to you - something that you keep ignoring:

The philosophy of science amounts to what science can say as 'fact', and what metaphysical value - if any - scientific facts have. The philosophy of science is not about discussing scientific theories or proposing new ones, or, just generally having a scientific discussion.
In short, the philosophy of science is entirely a metaphysical & epistemological issue.

So, moving the philosophy of science from the E & M forum, is akin to moving discussions of soccer from a sports forum; or akin to moving discussions of 'penny blacks' from the stamp forum; or akin to moving discussions of banks from the business forum.
That is, such a move would be completely without justification (that's putting it nicely).
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lifegazer- "The philosophy of science is not about discussing scientific theories or proposing new ones, or, just generally having a scientific discussion."

why? Seems pretty related to fact finding to me.

Why do so many people support a new art forum; when the same arguments being applied here can keep art forum from coming around.

There are also new ways to collect scientific data that are not "proper science", they are more holistic. a philosophy of science forum would be the perfect place to discuss such issues.
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I think that a "strict" philosophy of science forum would be too restrictive. While it at times serves a purpose to site published works how much fun is it really to discuss things that have already been discussed from people far better versed in the language of a particular field by just us poor ordinary slobs. I hate those sites that have overly specific forums which cater to an elite segment of posters.

I think this site is just more family friendly which adds to the appeal.

I think the ideas presented here are big enough for every community.

I think an arts forum is a good idea as long as its not restrictive. I think that comics and Shakespeare can successfully coexist and that way we all might avail ourselves of the opportunities to learn something new.

I think it is more a plus to Scott's character that he would ask. I am really beginning to wonder about that anarchist thing. But fatherhood does have some level of conservative backlash to it, just wait until you have a girl. :wink:
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If we are lovers of knowledge; then we would have fun discussing things, as best we can "above" our level, juice.

I think it would also be possible to "poke holes" in scientific "fact" if we gave it a shot.
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So Scott, the vote is over, is it not? The vote is in favor, are you going to make the new section (this goes for art section too)?
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Scott probably should have put this thread over in
E & M. That way, those that frequent that particular forum might have participated. I'm not sure too many people frequent the feedback forum.
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The people that care about the forum check into all parts. Like a good voter knows what he is voting about.

Though I see your point lifegazer.
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Post by lifegazer »

When did the philosophy of science forum start? I've only just noticed it. I was hoping Scott would air the reasons for his decision, at least. :(
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Post by Eckhart Aurelius Hughes »

I started it a few days ago. I based my decision on the vote.
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"The mind is a wonderful servant but a terrible master."

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You implemented a majorly significant change, for no other reason than 4 people wanted you to, whilst only 2 did not? :shock:
You didn't see any value in anything that was said here then?
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As a pholosophy student, as you always will be even if you gain the title of professor or doctor one day, you can't say "this" is how things are.
(Wanabe to Invictus)

Anyone who has fairly studied philosophy of science is in a position to declare the parameters of the academic discipline which is called 'philosophy of science'.Such a person may have misunderstood, but it is quite possible for a student of philosophy to know 'how things are' with regard to what philosophy of science is.
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Post by Belinda »

the philosophy of science is entirely a

metaphysical & epistemological issue.

It is indeed, but phil of sci is more focused than general epistemology on what people are doing when they do science. The sharp focus helps when one want to tidy up the ethics of applied science or do sociology.

The categories into which we group all manner of our learning activities including the sciences and the arts as well as common sense and philosophy are entirely arbitrary, and conscious awareness of this activity is potentially useful at least to demonstrate to us that we are a category-making species.It is one of our learning strategies.We sort evidence into categories which act as barriers to lateral thinking and also facilitate useful insights.

It's true though that specialist philosophies are usually reserved for the more advanced students.

I have read some contributions here that show lack of comprehension of the difference between science and philosophy of science.I foresee an uphill struggle.
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