Interesting there's no "philosophy of language" section in these forums.Xris wrote:I can observe the almost circular route of conversation about certain subjects
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But memorizing past events and experiences so as to refine them in the present is only one of the uses of language. Another use is ritual performative utterances as when people greet each other in prescribed polite ways, or communally worship their gods.Essentially languages constructed for memorizing past events and experiences so to refine them in present. If there is no transformation to intelligence, this knowledge remains a mere tin.
Another use of language is to stir up feelings in others as when clever advertisers are trying to sell something, or when politicians want people to fight a war.
Yet another use of language is when people who share certain ways of life use the sort of utterances which legitimate that solidarity.
Those alternative uses of language are how humans actually behave as social animals.
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What if the platform defines the knowledge?Sekhar wrote:Knowledge requires a platform to operate
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Please would EMTe give some examples of 'platforms' besides that of a specific living language?What if the platform defines the knowledge?
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It can't define it, but it both limits it and enables it. Definition is part of knowledge. All definition is based on a massive construct of dominoes each leaning on another. The relationship between the signified and the sign is arbitrary and definitions are built by using other arbitrary symbols. As languages are not innate the ability to learn languages IS innate, and the logic of grammar, common to all human language has universal qualities that are pre-figured by the "platform". SO basic ideas such as a sentence containing a subject and object; that some words can be employed to describe whilst others to point to a thing, are a result of the structural quality of the cerebral platform and are likely to have been prefigured before the emergence of the spoken language.EMTe wrote:What if the platform defines the knowledge?Sekhar wrote:Knowledge requires a platform to operate
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The 'platform' ( a concept you have not even defined properly), is not capable of defining anything , unless you think it is a conscious agent. Allowing definition is completely different from 'defining'. The 'platfom can limit and enable the possibility of definition it simply cannot have a hand in that work. Language is not static - it is praxis. I it formed by the praxis of the conscious agent engaged with the world.EMTe wrote:Of course it defines it. Philosophy is purely the language discipline. You discuss abstract notions which were created, because your ability to use language allows you to create them. If there wasnt a single human on Earth the "sense of existence" idea werent exist also, because there would be nobody who can create it, name it and discuss it. Philosophy as a discipline is an artificial creation, just like roads and buildings (the difference is that while the latter creations are useful - philosophy is completely useless) which exist only because there are creatures who can build them.
If you really think philosophy is 'completely useless' then it begs the question why are you contributing to a Philosophy Forum.
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I'm glad you are having fun. But whilst you characterise Philosophy in this way you will never get any more out of it than shouting a giggling.EMTe wrote:I like to drive people angry and insecure. From my experience (not only online) this is what constitutes "Productive Philosophical Conversations".
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EMTe wrote:This is the bitter kind of fun, if it can make you less upset.
I do not understand what you mean.
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Maybe you were not being clear?EMTe wrote:Maybe you really don't. Or you understand, but cannot show it, because you build your online persona on forum and prefer to be not thought-provoking. Who knows?
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