Spoon sex?
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That doesn't mean that you might not be drawn to a shape due to subliminal consciousness. It's long been known that men are drawn to cleavage on a woman, not for the obvious reason but for the fact that the cleavage subliminally reminds a man of the shape of a woman's backside. Now you might get a fair amount of men arguing that they in fact really like women's breasts but they are not recognizing the subliminal message. Grown men are not typically interesting in breast feeding, that's silly. I suppose some may have not breast fed properly and so have a need there. But for most men, they believe that their taste is primarily consciously controlled, which is not always the case at least according to the research. You can only control consciously, what you are aware of consciously. And most men are drawn to the curvy pressed together shape of breasts because they are subconsciously acting on reproductive instinct and the shape is like that of a women's butt.
Now that's a study I wouldn't mind volunteering for!
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There's the golden section or golden rectangle thing that the Greeks used as a master most-pleasing proportion. I don't know if it's universal, probably not, but I'll bet that your spoon can be analyzed on the basis of it, ratio of length to width of the bowl, relative position of the center of the bowl.PaulNZ wrote:I find certain forms pleasing over others. I don't try to, I'm not even sure it is conscious, in fact I think it is quite the opposite. I have only noticed when I caught myself washing a particular spoon of a particular shape rather than use one of many other different shaped spoons in the drawer.
Your spoonshape sensitivity is a gift. You should pursue it some way, maybe take up sculpture. Not everyone is responding so strongly to the shape of an object. Look up Constantin Brancusi, he had it pretty bad, too, I think.
Why do we prefer some objects to others? It can probably be traced it back to mating. Can't everything be traced back to mating?
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Your spoon preference could possibly be related to memory of the utensil your caregiver used to feed you with. If it was pleasant your choice now may be what was used, if it was unpleasant then you found one that was pleasant when it was feasible as your own choice. I think this is relative to why humans develop likes and dislikes of all things, sorting out what is personally pleasing over what ones experience was, when it was objective over subjective power.PaulNZ wrote:This has puzzled me for a while and I was hoping to hear one or two opinions from outside my own head in order that I might park it up for a while.
I like my spoon, quite a lot. I like other spoons like it, a particular fork, some knives over other knives and particular shaped bowls. We have a selection in our kitchen of a variety of each because we lose things and break the occasional piece of crockery. I find certain forms pleasing over others. I don't try to, I'm not even sure it is conscious, in fact I think it is quite the opposite. I have only noticed when I caught myself washing a particular spoon of a particular shape rather than use one of many other different shaped spoons in the drawer.
Why?
I have decided I am unconsciously attracted to some ratios of proportion or forms over others and find the use of them pleasing or comforting in some way (there is a reward for my brain of some sort but I'm not sure quite what!)
My thinking at this time is that it is related to finding a mate and evolution has built this into my crocodile brain to somehow be attracted to certain proportions, ratios or forms for that purpose.
I then wondered if our appreciation of art and reason for finding art pleasing, when it relates to proportions, ratios or forms is simply an evolutionary extension of our need to reproduce?
Any thoughts?
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I have a favorite wineglass that is the last survivor of a very nicely proportioned set of six. It's my favorite, the shape has a certain rightness for me and that's the one I always grab. It's not fancy or decorated or expensive, it's the shape that's doing it for me. There is definitely pleasure involved in handling it, seeing it. None of our other wineglasses quite come up to it.PaulNZ wrote:Golden ratio or association with a caregivers choice of spoon from childhood. Interesting. The brain looks for patterns and in doing so is constantly comparing data against other data unconsciously, so there may be merit in the myth of the golden ratio and what our parents preferences are, certainly have influence over our own preferences. Thanks for your comments 3uGH7D4MLj and Misty.
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That sounds pretty similar to my spoon attraction, which of course isn't limited to spoons. Maybe there is something in the golden ratio in that we find it pleasing because it reflects many things in nature, something many of us revere. Has the ratio been applied to the curves of the human body?3uGH7D4MLj wrote:I have a favorite wineglass that is the last survivor of a very nicely proportioned set of six. It's my favorite, the shape has a certain rightness for me and that's the one I always grab. It's not fancy or decorated or expensive, it's the shape that's doing it for me. There is definitely pleasure involved in handling it, seeing it. None of our other wineglasses quite come up to it.PaulNZ wrote:Golden ratio or association with a caregivers choice of spoon from childhood. Interesting. The brain looks for patterns and in doing so is constantly comparing data against other data unconsciously, so there may be merit in the myth of the golden ratio and what our parents preferences are, certainly have influence over our own preferences. Thanks for your comments 3uGH7D4MLj and Misty.
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Follow the fun. If a form brings pleasure, enjoy it.
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Wow I have to say. Ridiculous. I know lots of people who would pay good money for that. For realsies. And tiny spoons are petite in my opinion. Are you familiar with the word petite?Cogito ergo sum wrote:Aristotle went over this and came to a conclusion that certain types of objects because of there proportion cannot be beautiful or pleasing. So for example a very large or very small object cannot be beautiful. And from what I have understood from my interpretation of Kants views of what the difference is between the beautiful and the sublime would be exactly that. Nature cannot be beautiful in observing it. It is to vast it is mathematically large and mighty. So when you are in nature you cannot comprehend the size and might of nature so you become fearful not nessesarily afraid but fearful of its might. Now when reflecting on what you have seen which in that moment of observing you might misjudge it and claim that it was or is beautiful. That is not the case it is sublime only in the sense that when you go into your own mental faculties thinking about what you have observed you turn back in on yourself and shrink the might and size of nature and your limitless mind overcomes the fearfulness you had while observing. You then and only then can find it beautiful because you have given it a proportion that can be beautiful. But to go back to your spoon and your topic I would imagine that yes we would find certain proportions pleasing and good when finding a mate. What would happen if a man was and only was attracted and found a female form pleasing and beautiful if she was a thousand feet tall? It would be counter productive I assume.
Also, are you aware of the concept of relativity, and scale? Because, if you zoom in, things sudden appear large. Therefore your statement is quite false indeed. Ridiculously false, actually.
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Thank you for showing that you have never read Aristotle or Kant. I'm sure people would pay good money for that, for "realsies", otherwise people wouldn't have bought and read any of Kant's or Aristotle's works. This post has nothing to do with relativity, it is about an individual humans perception of objects they are perceiving.GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Wow I have to say. Ridiculous. I know lots of people who would pay good money for that. For realsies. And tiny spoons are petite in my opinion. Are you familiar with the word petite?Cogito ergo sum wrote:Aristotle went over this and came to a conclusion that certain types of objects because of there proportion cannot be beautiful or pleasing. So for example a very large or very small object cannot be beautiful. And from what I have understood from my interpretation of Kants views of what the difference is between the beautiful and the sublime would be exactly that. Nature cannot be beautiful in observing it. It is to vast it is mathematically large and mighty. So when you are in nature you cannot comprehend the size and might of nature so you become fearful not nessesarily afraid but fearful of its might. Now when reflecting on what you have seen which in that moment of observing you might misjudge it and claim that it was or is beautiful. That is not the case it is sublime only in the sense that when you go into your own mental faculties thinking about what you have observed you turn back in on yourself and shrink the might and size of nature and your limitless mind overcomes the fearfulness you had while observing. You then and only then can find it beautiful because you have given it a proportion that can be beautiful. But to go back to your spoon and your topic I would imagine that yes we would find certain proportions pleasing and good when finding a mate. What would happen if a man was and only was attracted and found a female form pleasing and beautiful if she was a thousand feet tall? It would be counter productive I assume.
Also, are you aware of the concept of relativity, and scale? Because, if you zoom in, things sudden appear large. Therefore your statement is quite false indeed. Ridiculously false, actually.
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