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Belinda
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Post: #16  Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| You're right WTS I am biased. It seems that I've never needed the services of a prostitute. I've always been able to have respectful, mutually beneficial, happy, normal relationships with woman, forgive me for not wanting everyone of my fellow human beings the same experiences, and, between you and me I pray that they could have more. |
Wow! Lucky old you, Juice! Perhaps your provider is not yet letting your message through to God.
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| Post: #17 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| You're right WTS I am biased. It seems that I've never needed the services of a prostitute. I've always been able to have respectful, mutually beneficial, happy, normal relationships with woman, forgive me for not wanting everyone of my fellow human beings the same experiences, and, between you and me I pray that they could have more. |
Forgive me, Juice, but you also have a "happy, normal [in your opinion] relationship with 'god'". Now, you may "pray" that I could have this as well, but you may not forcefully impose this upon me by censoring my speech when I criticize your Christian doctrine, no matter how "unhealthy" you consider it to society.
However, since we are discussing what will discourage prostitution [and not make it illegal], we obviously cannot consider capital or corporal punishment. Both of these would be LEGAL avenues of implementing change [social force of imposing restrictions upon an individual's freedom]. Instead, Juice, I think Scott intended for us to discuss how to discourage prostitutes themselves from pursuing this as a viable profession.
If we consider the question from this angle, I would say that we could do it be disincentivizing the field. When I say this, of course, I mean that we could invent other ways for men to get their rocks off that would be cleaner, more appealing [maybe some kind of Virtual Reality?], or whatever.
Maybe another option would be to make it so prevalent and passe that it becomes faux pas. By this I mean that, although it's legal to go to the bunny ranch in Nevada, do you really think that a large percentage of visitors to the State honestly go? I think the reason they don't is because it's considered faux pas by contemporary society. Really, the only people going are those who probably have no concerns about their own well being. And if that's the case, I say let em contract STDs and die. Just make sure that there's no such thing as universal health care first, so they have to suffer the consequences of their idiotic and unsafe decisions for the rest of their lives, that's all.
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| Post: #18 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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WTS-I think prostitutes are discouraged enough that's why they go into such a cruel self exploitative lifestyle.
Glad you agree that criticizing Christianity could be "unhealthy" to society. I prayed for that revelation too!
I think the bigger answer here, from a capitalist perspective, lies in the "demand" side of the industry. While demeaning to the prostitute and considering the numerous ills that can be gotten from engaging I am want to understand what would possess a healthy, normal man to pay for something that I have often found is better and more enriching to get for free. More confusing is the further desire to spend more money for someone who has a better chance of being disease free. If a man marries and contractually agrees or promises to be faithful and doesn't by frequenting prostitutes why take the chance at contracting something he can pass along to his spouse?
My point being that there is obviously a demand for this activity despite the dangers. And where there is demand there is supply. So even if we can somehow improve the lives of "at risk" individuals from that lifestyle how could that affect the industry without decreasing or eliminating demand? As long as there is demand, supply will be insured even of that means enslaving individuals and brutalizing them, including children.
So for me the problem cannot be solved without removing the demand which fuels the problem to whatever extent or degree of human degradation which is obviously the purpose of its existence considering the total disregard for the risks of engagement.
Let's at least castrate the pimps, slavers and the exploiters of children.
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| Post: #19 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 3:20 am Post subject: |
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Juice,
The supply will always be there, because the basic fact of life is that men want to have sex infinitely more often than women, and some men actually think that they must follow up on these urges.
It's a problem of instant gratification, which I fear that my generation [I'm in my 20's of course] suffers greatly from, along with what I fear more and more each day is a sense of entitlement.
I agree with the sentiment to kill off all pimps, since I compare them to Union reps [they are the same, after all - they don't work, serve no useful purpose, and yet they reap the rewards].
However, the real problem lies in the fact that some girls will always see this as a quick way to make money. Many girls don't find any issue with screwing guys for money. In fact, what makes me even more disgusted is that many girls screw guys for popularity, acceptance, a sense of love, etc. I'd almost rather a girl get some freaking money out of it, honestly.
Regardless, though, I don't think you will ever totally eliminate the industry, legal or not. Look at the Chinese. They have "Death Vans", which basically go around enforcing capital punishment verdicts for the 70+ crimes they consider worthy of it ... and yet people STILL COMMIT THOSE CRIMES!!!
It will always happen, and though I hate it as much as you do, the only way to minimize it's impacts is to either ostracize it [in a subvert fashion] or to eliminate it as a substantially gainful source of revenue. How to do this, I'm not sure. But I assume that competition is the biggest source of driving down costs, so I can't imagine why we wouldn't want to allow more and more "low-lifes" to participate.
In fact, I would like to encourage all STD-ridden men/women to whore themselves out. Maybe if the industry became so infested with disease, it would just happily go away? Who knows.
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| Post: #20 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| In fact, what makes me even more disgusted is that many girls screw guys for popularity, acceptance, a sense of love, etc. I'd almost rather a girl get some freaking money out of it, honestly. |
Men sometimes have the same motives for having sex. This is not to say that honest old lust, or romantic love, is absent in such cases, but sex has always been associated with ulterior motives. All our animal needs are socialised into whatever current mores there are.
One ulterior motive for sex used to be, and in the case of some religionists still is, deliberately to procreate while denigrating animal lust and romantic love.
It is too cruel though to deny certain persons sex who can only have sex when it is bought. I refer to men, or more rarely women, who find it so difficult or impossible to get a partner that they can have paid-for sex only.
I also disagree that STD's should kill off all people who have STD's. Apart from my nurses' ethic not to be judgemental where disability and diseases are concerned, unconscionable numbers of gentle and productive young people would die if public health measures did not try to stem the flow of the STD pandemic.
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| Post: #21 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:24 am Post subject: |
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I read that in response to Muslim concerns for prostitution, the government will be issuing chastity belts for women. The keys will be the property of either her husband, or if not married, the appropriate governmental authority.
If an unmarried man and woman want to have sex they simply provide proof of health records to the examining governmental authority who will remove the device for the evening. Then they return the next day to have it replaced. They are allowed one visit a week. Additional visits will be taxed on a sliding scale depending upon income to assure sexual justice.
It is for their mutual good so of course they will be greatful for the security assuring a stress free experience. The people will be happy that the government will have done its duty. What could be better?
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