I like your phrasing: "True Religion". Everyone knows the definition is: overpriced jeans. But seriously, even clothing marketers know that the phrase is an oxymoron. Sort of "Real Magic Trick".Steve3007 wrote:Lark_Truth:You seem unwilling to define the term "True Religion". It's difficult to discuss whether one thing is equal to another thing if that second thing is undefined.What if there were such a thing, could that be a true religion?
Do you define a "true religion" as a mono-theistic religion in which God's message is unambiguous to everybody and therefore impossible to misunderstand, misrepresent or corrupt? (Yes or No will do.)
The "One True" religion
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For some their religion does not involve truth, for others it does.
Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts is composed of two kinds of truths
....1a} absolute ex cosmic laws/principles,
.....1b} relative ex the sky is blue.
Our finite, occupied space Universe is our church ergo we are in church all of the time.
We practice our religion some of the time.
Religion is our tool kit to help us maneuver our life's experiences with least amount of emotional and psychic damage.
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Really I think it's that extended out to a population, as a scaffold for comradery, community, moral organization, and if it's a religion really worth its salt it gives guideposts to people as to how they can increase their own virtues and integrities which is something that sells itself to any person thoughtful enough to realize that integrities and virtues are the core of what makes life and societies worth existing in.
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Or, more simply, a crutch to help us rationalize our circumstances.Religion is our tool kit to help us maneuver our life's experiences with least amount of emotional and psychic damage.
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Maybe such things can be said for an untrue religion, but a true religion should do more than that.
Question for anyone to answer: Is this post just trying to solve what the "One true religion" is or what would make up a "true religion"?
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I agree that the example I gave was an opinion. However sometimes cookery experts especially those who are TV celebrities offer expert opinions which their audiences tend to regard as gospel truths.Lark_Truth wrote:The example that you gave seems more like an opinion. I mean "true" as in a literal statement of fact that was not defined by opinion, but was absolutely real. For example: "this is a forum meant for philosophy discussion."
The example you gave "this is a forum for philosophy discussion" is more authoritative than my example about the best way to cook eggs. That is because the website belongs to an individual who by virtue of how our society is conducted has the right to affirm what the website is to be about. I have no such authority about the way to cook eggs.
I put it to you, Lark_Truth, on whose authority do you assert which is the one true religion?
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A proposition can be true or false. I don't see how a religion can, unless it contains propositions. In that case we need to examine those propositions.The example that you gave seems more like an opinion. I mean "true" as in a literal statement of fact that was not defined by opinion, but was absolutely real. For example: "this is a forum meant for philosophy discussion."
When you talk about a statement of fact, as opposed to an opinion, do you mean statements like: "It is sunny outside"? I believe this statement to be true because I have just looked out of the window and can ask others to look out of the window and tell me if they agree. In order to either by "true" or "false" in the way that you suggest this religion would need to contain similar empirical propositions, would it not? Religions that I know of say things like "it is wrong to kill" or "There is only one God" or "I am the resurrection and the life". Do you think this ideal true religion would contain statements like that, or different kinds of statements?
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That is a question that puts me between a rock and a hard place, Belindi, and really the only option that I can see for me to answer is that it is my own authority that I say which is the one true religion, but then I would merely be stating an opinion not or not yet determined to be true, because generally truth has to be accepted by all those involved with the determining of it, which right here includes you, me, and all those who include themselves in the conversation. That is really the only option that I can see to answer such a question without sounding as if my head is as large as a hot-air balloon in saying "Oh I know this and you don't!" So if you consider your question unanswered Belindi, just acknowledge that I tried and that I tried to make myself seem not as much of a bigot as I probably am.Belindi wrote:Lark_Truth, on whose authority do you assert which is the one true religion?
The way that I've heard it, that in the world, science explains the "how" of phenomenon, and religion explains the "why". It would stand to reason in explaining the "why", religion would also give proof as to why the "why" is true. A true religion might very well include statements like your examples, Steve3007, and with those statements, a true religion would offer explanation as to why those statements are indeed true.Steve3007 wrote:When you talk about a statement of fact, as opposed to an opinion, do you mean statements like: "It is sunny outside"? I believe this statement to be true because I have just looked out of the window and can ask others to look out of the window and tell me if they agree. In order to either by "true" or "false" in the way that you suggest this religion would need to contain similar empirical propositions, would it not? Religions that I know of say things like "it is wrong to kill" or "There is only one God" or "I am the resurrection and the life". Do you think this ideal true religion would contain statements like that, or different kinds of statements?
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What does the word "why" mean?a true religion would offer explanation as to why those statements are indeed true.
How do you think a true religion could explain why there is only one god in a way that would make the statement "there is only one god" true?
If I say "it is sunny outside" and somebody says "why?" and I reply "because there are no clouds in the sky", is this a proper use of the word "why"?
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I would think that your last sentence is a proper use of the word "why", but we're here to talk religion, not English grammar.
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