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Scott wrote:What do you think? How do you dissuade people from vengeance? What arguments do you have against vengeance? What do you see as the flaws in the philosophy of an eye for an eye? How can we convince people not to make policy choices based on vengeance?
Like anybody, I may succumb to emotions in the heat of the moment (which is almost always regrettable), but generally I generally do not support vengeance and instead choose compassion. But I want to know what arguments you have against vengeance.
MarkE wrote:i like to make it so nobody has the better of me. Vengeance and then some is the way i go. 1-up anybody that wrongs me purposefully. People can play off of the compassion and understanding of others.
It's like being a moral vigilante to me
AnarchistUnited wrote:I honestly think vengeance is a great thing if used correctly The only time I would truly use vengeance is out on the world's oppressors
Daniel Owen wrote:I think vengeance is pretty healthy and normal. Tit for tat. Eye for an eye. Reciprocity keeps the world turning -- it's the real social contract. Mutual aid and vengeful justice are different sides of the same coin.
Scott wrote:Do you have any evidence that vengeance is healthy? (Does it matter that it is normal?) I am not an expert psychological studies, I have come to the opposite conclusion; I believe people benefit more from compassion and forgiveness (as long as they defend themselves and get repaid for any damages caused to them).
How does vengeful reciprocity keep the world turning? Wouldn't the world still turn if people did not get vengeance for vengeance sake? Wouldn't the world keep turning if we only used force to defend ourselves and to get repaid for damages caused to us, but not to cause extra damage to the person as revenge?
MarkE wrote:In high-school you have no idea how often i've seen a compassionate, nice, substitute teacher taken advantage of. The whole paper airplanes stereotypes, name calling, general rudeness. The teacher shrugs and says "they're just kids", losing their respect. A teacher who won't take crap from anyone has my respect.
MarkE wrote:Dear Scott,
Thanks for relating me to a rapist.
MarkE wrote:PS. A rapists victim doesn't always do something to provoke the rapist to commit the rape. Yes, i am selfish and violent. Anger, discompassion, and hatred to me aren't signs of weakness - sometimes if you want things to change you need to rock the boat; some people won't learn without consequences. Of course there are always exceptions.
I can't stand people getting away with injustice because people "understand" where they come from or why they did it. Something wrong is something wrong. Period. Doing something wrong deserves consequences (and if the law can't intervene... why not?).
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