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Post: #1  Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: Should Religion be taught in school? |
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Should religion be taught in schools?
In my opinion no. They should be teaching us the stuff that has already been proved. |
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| Post: #2 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:27 am Post subject: Re: Should Religion be taught in school? |
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| buddaluver1414 wrote: |
| They should be teaching us the stuff that has already been proved. |
1. Please describe or give some examples of the stuff that has already been proved.
2. What effect do you think would learning just the proven stuff have on our ability to prove new stuff? |
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| Post: #3 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:27 am Post subject: Re: Should Religion be taught in school? |
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| buddaluver1414 wrote: |
| Should religion be taught in schools? |
If the school is teaching about humans and their various beliefs, history and it major impetus of 'beliefs', the teaching of what people believe, in that context, is reasonable.
I was taught the basic beliefs of all major religions in high school without the teacher's pushing any particular one. No agenda other then learning what people think, believe, behave, etc... Anthropology, civics, military history and its relation to 'beliefs' (religion), sociology, etc... are all contexts in which people's religious beliefs are relevent. Our education would be poorer without it, as would our understanding of (and relationship with) our fellow man. |
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| Post: #4 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 4:51 am Post subject: |
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I endorse what Dewey, he of the significant name, says.
It depends on what you mean by 'religion' and it depends on what you mean by 'taught'.
Comparative religion is part of social studies.
Much religious experience is ritualistic, some of it is belief-based, some is aesthetic, some religious experience combines different qualities, some of it is cult-only and concentrates on worship of a person such the pope, or the BVM, or David Koresh.
Who should teach such attitudes? The parents or the schools?Some church or other?
Some teaching is indoctrination ,some of it is simple training, and some of it is liberal education.
How should some subject be taught? |
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buddaluver1414
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| Post: #5 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| What I meant by religion is what the church would be talking about at mass. Teaching the basics of religions, Jesus is the messiah of Christianity, is 100% necessary. Religion is a part of social studies. But they shouldn't be preaching us things we would hear in church. |
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| Post: #6 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Should Religion be taught in school? |
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| buddaluver1414 wrote: |
Should religion be taught in schools?
In my opinion no. They should be teaching us the stuff that has already been proved. |
Hi b1414!
Based on what you said in your 2nd post, you are right! |
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Belinda
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| Post: #7 Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| What I meant by religion is what the church would be talking about at mass. Teaching the basics of religions, Jesus is the messiah of Christianity, is 100% necessary. Religion is a part of social studies. But they shouldn't be preaching us things we would hear in church. |
I agree that "they shouldn't be preaching us things we would hear in church".
This is because what we hear in church confuses history and worship, confusion that is so evident in philosophyclub.
For some people being taught the history of God as it is according to the best scholarship, can only enhance the experience of God. It is unfortunate, therefore that so much of the church experience infantilises the congregation.Infantilising the church congregation by failing to teach them what is taught in the seminaries does not improve relations with God, however one conceives of God. |
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| Post: #8 Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| No, religion should not be taught in schools. Schools should be reserved for the teaching of fact, not opinion. Every child should be able to choose his or her own religion without being pressured by anyone. |
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| Post: #9 Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| xowally3 wrote: |
| No, religion should not be taught in schools. Schools should be reserved for the teaching of fact, not opinion. Every child should be able to choose his or her own religion without being pressured by anyone. |
Hi Xowally3!
But facts which are believed IS a religion!
So Religion IS being already taught in schools! |
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| Post: #10 Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, guys.
Here's something my religion has taught me:
"Everyone is in pursuit of profit"
Cheers,
enegue |
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Belinda
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| Post: #11 Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:05 am Post subject: |
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Ape wrote:
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Hi Xowally3!
But facts which are believed IS a religion!
So Religion IS being already taught in schools! |
To claim that the teaching of facts that are believed is a religious experience rather stretches what most people mean by 'religion'.
It is true though that some facts are taught 'religiously' which can mean that the learners are being indoctrinated, instead of thinking the fact through for themselves, or being taught what constitutes good evidence for the fact. |
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ape
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| Post: #12 Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| Belinda wrote: |
Ape wrote:
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Hi Xowally3!
But facts which are believed IS a religion!
So Religion IS being already taught in schools! |
To claim that the teaching of facts that are believed is a religious experience rather stretches what most people mean by 'religion'. |
Dear Belinda, it's a stretch only because people never understood/rubberbanded what religion was in the first place!
Re=again.
Ligion comes from the Latin for ligament, ligio, which means to bind.
So since words and their opposites[ato] are already bound or ligamented or ligionised, what makes them bound again or re-bound or re-binds them or binds them again or re-ligionizes them?
Love--because Love loves all words ato!
When Love loves what words are already bound, we have good religion.
When Hate hates any of the already bound and unfissionable words, we have bad religion....which is the religion we shd lose as in 'Losing My Religion.'!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_XFMCgeI7c&feature=related
qed.
"Good and evil grow up together and are bound in an equilibrium that cannot be sundered. The most we can do is try to tilt the equilibrium toward the good."Alvin Toffler.
"If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human-being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn
So it is clear then that any loved or hated belief is a religion, and that that definition automatically and without ANY stretch includes any and all beliefs in its purview!
Belinda, that is why God is not mocked:
the very people who may believe that they do no believe in any religion have just espoused their own: the religion of NO religion!
Ditto for those who do not believe in any god: they just believed in no god!
"To fall in Love is to create a religion that has a[n in]fallible god [when it comes to Love]."
JORGE LUIS BORGES, Other Inquisitions
belinda:
It is true though that some facts are taught 'religiously' which can mean that the learners are being indoctrinated, instead of thinking the fact through for themselves, or being taught what constitutes good evidence for the fact.
ape: Exactly!
And that includes what ARE facts!
The facts of abc's and 123's are religiously taught and learned how? By heart!
"Whosoever is lacking in Love for humanity or manifests Hatred and Bigotry toward any part of it violates the foundation and source of his own" belief and is holding to forms and imitations [and limitations and so has to stretch!].
`Abdu'l-Baha: Promulgation of Universal Peace |
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| Post: #13 Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:06 am Post subject: Should Religion be taught in school? |
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| Instead of teaching religion in school I believe macrobiotics, the foundation to all religions should be taught. |
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| Post: #14 Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't want taxpayer dollars spent on religious preaching or teaching kids religion (in a non-scientific format). Nor would I want parents to be forced to put their children in a religious school. However, I have no problem with a private school mixing education with religious beliefs and worship.
Overall, I wouldn't want anything that violates what Thomas Jefferson called the "wall of separation" between Church and State, which was articulated by the US Constitution as, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Of course, there is a difference between telling kids religious beliefs as if they were scientific facts and scientific theology. For instance, I do not think it violates the Separation of church and State or makes a school promoting a certain religion for a school to teach children what particular religion believe and other factual issues that happen to be about any given religion (e.g. when did it start, how did it change society, how did it affect politics, who were influential historical figures of this religion, etc.). In other words, I have no problem with even public schools providing scientific information that happens to be about religions. I just do not want public schools or state sponsored schools to promote any given religion (or atheism) or to tell children religious beliefs and superstitions as if they were facts.
| buddaluver1414 wrote: |
| What I meant by religion is what the church would be talking about at mass. Teaching the basics of religions, Jesus is the messiah of Christianity, is 100% necessary. Religion is a part of social studies. But they shouldn't be preaching us things we would hear in church. |
Exactly. Saying, "Jesus was divine and was the messiah," would be religious and would violate the separation of church and state if teaching such a statement was sponsored by the State. However, saying, "Christians believe Jesus was divine and was the messiah," is not a religious statement but is a basic scientific, theological and historical point. We have to remember the difference between religion/theism and scientific study of religion/theism.
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| Post: #15 Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, I would not support any law which mandates taxpayer funding of any religion in schools although I also would not support any law which would prohibit the free exercise of any religion in any school. Meaning that a group who wish to practice a religious observance should be given those opportunities as long it does not disrupt the basic purposes of responsibility to receive an education. based on the three "R's".
Separation of church and state is not in the Constitution! What is in the Constitution is that Congress shall not make any law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
It would be impossible to exclude discussions of religion in taxpayer funded schools when we expect children to be apprised of current events and have questions encouraged as a result.
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