The right to freedom of expression.
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The right to freedom of expression.
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Re: The right to freedom of expression.
Seven posts in a row. If you think that visitors to philosophy forums want this kind of vacuous self indulgence, you are mistaken.PUT UP OR SHUT UP
There is no freedom of expression anywhere. One is not even allowed to utter the term "climate change" in the White House today, which is almost Orwellian!
So there are always limits on expression, and when you become too self indulgent, threads will continue to be locked. If you stay focused then threads will stay open.
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This website has a sort of legislature (Scott - the guy who created the rules of the site) and a judiciary. But the citizens (posters) don't vote. They don't have a say about the laws. So, in a sense, it's a kind of dictatorship. If the posters/citizens did have a vote, I wonder whether they would substantially change them? If they did, it seems reasonable to assume that all posters should have one vote. Does anybody disagree? Does anybody think that only some posters should have a vote? If so, what would be the criteria for deciding whether a given poster has a vote?
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Regulars hoping to have influence and proven to be responsible can offer their services as a mod. Alas, modding can be bruising at times and one excellent regular seems to have left the forum after a difficult period modding where he'd hoped to raise standards a little (with my full support). Alas, standards did not want to be raised and fought back vigorously enough for him to decide to do something else. Pity. A fine mind driven off by lesser ones.
I myself have wanted to quit modding about half a dozen times. It is especially difficult to moderate alt right people because they inherently have no respect for authority, and even less so for women in positions of authority, generally inspired by the antics of US's rebel-in-chief. Modding such people is like trying to control teenagers. I have experimented with numerous methods and found that cold ruthlessness is the only way to deal with such people - set the rules, make them clear, transgress too much, no fuss, just ejection.
Of course, then they claim bias and talk about "freedom of expression" and never once will they acknowledge that their own trolling and poor manners were the source of the issues. Generally, if a new member arrives with attitude and arrogance I will generally be quick to ban for transgressions because in my experience such people get worse with familiarity rather than better; they are akin to a dinner guest arriving at your home for the first time and telling everyone that they are fools.
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If you want a say in what happens inside or how the rules are made, you have a further option of earning a seat on the governing council.
If the council wants to hold a referendum on some specific issue or proposed change of protocol, they can do so.
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Yes, it's just house rules. Imagine throwing a dinner party and giving the guests a vote as to how you run your household? :lol:
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There are the same problems when trying to critique any passage of text that purports to make an argument supporting a point of view or opinion. In trying to do that here, I've usually found that the cold, logical, rational "you have said this and you are wrong for this reason" approach simply doesn't work for various reasons. Mostly because people rarely set out their position as an orderly evidence-based argument. They generally make assertions and express personal tastes. It's not possible to demonstrate to people that their personal tastes are wrong. It's only really possible to state that one doesn't share them.
As an exercise, before it was locked, I was starting to try this with the OP which proposed to revoke women's suffrage - breaking it into small parts and demonstrating why I disagreed with each part. I guess it was probably a waste of time though. The central flaws of the OP (correlation does not imply cause etc) had already been pointed out by Greta and others, and ignored.
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Anyway, I've posted the topic now.
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Some advice: whining doesn't help one's case when you are trying to project masculinity.Dachshund wrote: ↑January 6th, 2018, 4:59 pm I note that my OP on the topic of repealing women's suffrage has been locked by Greta. In my opinion this decision was made predominantly because she because she knew full well that there was no prospect of the arguments I was in the process of setting down in support of my case being defeated ,and,being female she was not prepared to hear the truth about the tremendous damage that the women's right's movement has inflicted- and is continuing to inflict -on the Western societies. It is a classic example of politically correct censorship and I have to say that I am very disappointed to learn that this philosophy forum is not a place where the right to freedom of expression is respected.
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Pray that you never reach that point, Steven.
Lucky, now that you mention it, those with extreme views will naturally tend towards whining - because they are on the losing side of history and that will largely continue to be the case. Every society where extremists have achieved power has come to grief. As extremism lifts, so does prosperity and happiness (aside from malcontent extremists who see the bulk of people as ignorant puppets as they suffer from their self-inflicted injuries).
In healthy societies, however, most people will be moderate in their views, and literally more philosophical about life than miserable extremists.
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