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Dewey Contributor
Joined: 28 Oct 2007 Posts: 515 Location: California
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Post: #16 Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:30 am Post subject: Putting Ourselves in the Hotseat |
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Nobody promised you a rose garden, Homicidal Pacifist, neither now or in the foreseeable future. But we do share your frustration -- yours over the general indifference to your moral position on animal killing, ours over whatever in-the-minority moral position each of us may hold.
To at least relieve the frustration and promote your belief, you might want to consider doing this. Hold off trying to turn the meat-eaters into vegetarians. It bound to fail in our present culture. (Wait until that wonderful day in the next century or so, to be explained below.) For the time being, set your aim on the “sportsmen” animal killers and/or the pet abandoners and killers. They are vulnerable targets in many of today’s cultures. You will have made a good start in your quest.
As you know, morality in this world today is a mess. We can talk about beauty being in the eyes of the beholder, but the fact is that morality is far more subjective than beauty. What’s good and what’s evil are matters of opinion and disagreement. Our cultures everywhere are mired down by our self-serving consumerism, our dissimilar and combative religiosity, and our resistance to cosmopolitanism. (This explains the movement that should draw the scorn of those that seek greater respect for animals – the "intelligent design" and other such efforts to discredit the findings of Darwin.)
But stick around for another century or so. Humanity, wish it or not, is drawing together. Look at these world-wide trends: (1) massive economic interdependence, (2) innovative scientific technology, and (3) instant satellite information and mass digital communications. I’m optimistic. All I have to do is to hang around for another 100 years.
End result: One world culture of individualist cosmopolitanism based on personal human (and animal?) rights. It’s possible. |
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Homicidal Pacifist

Joined: 19 Jul 2009 Posts: 546 Location: Your mom's house. Ha.
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Post: #17 Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 2:35 am Post subject: . |
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I haven't that much patience, Dewey; which I guess is a sure sign of my immaturity; or perhaps I am right in the assertion that that human and animal suffering should not be put on the backburner in the hope that someone else and/or society as a whole will begin understand and repair their f*ck-ups. (Ah, yes. But who am I to say what is a f*ck-up? I am Homicidal Pacifist and I would not bother you unless I thought I was really onto something.)
Now is the time, the time is now. Even if I don't convince anyone, I believe it is best to unveil information as soon as it becomes available. Maybe I'm pushy, but maybe the world needs to be pushed (or subconsciously WANTS to be pushed).
And I WAS promised a rose garden (by a liar) and I got my share of thorns. Nothing wrong with a little prick (don't take that in a sexual context unless you feel like laughing). But I wish we could finally be done with it and be able to focus more on the roses.
Everybody already goes after the chicken stompers (and ironically they still exist). My crosshair is on you. And myself. The non-torturous animal killers (or supporters of) because the chicken stomper seems a bit too far gone with his insensitivity (though I target him as well).
Dewey said, "But stick around for another century or so. Humanity, wish it or not, is drawing together. Look at these world-wide trends: (1) massive economic interdependence, (2) innovative scientific technology, and (3) instant satellite information and mass digital communications. I’m optimistic. All I have to do is to hang around for another 100 years."
You claim to have optimism (much more so than I believe I have) and yet, your optimism is put on hold and reserved for a future that I believe will never happen on such a mass scale. Progress is being made as we steadily walk backwards.
Your list of 1, 2, and 3 are beneficial, but I wish we would spread information and technology to ALL other nations more fervently; especially those succumbing to mass poverty. _________________ "If Ignorance Is Bliss, Then Knock The Smile Off My Face!"
- Rage Against The Machine |
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wanabe

Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 2014 Location: EVERYWHERE
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Post: #18 Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 1:15 pm Post subject: What is your problem? |
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For the sake of self examination
And on the 9th day it rose...
What is your problem, what is mine? _________________ Anything is possible; nothing is as it seems.Transcend feeble language by communicating through Direct Perception.I am attempting to transcend 'right and wrong', please help me."What you don't understand you can make mean anything."-Chuck Palahniuk |
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reflected_light

Joined: 04 Oct 2009 Posts: 196
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Post: #19 Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Meleagar wrote: |
| Having free will, I'm not constrained by any ethical or moral obligations. I do as I wish, not as I must. |
How sadistic, it does sound like fun...
I think I'll call you The Marquis from now on. |
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