Is this satire or are you referring to a particular piece? :lol:
I know you prefer normal prose in these chats, but in this case it seems easier to reply piecemeal, hopefully without buggering up context.Burning ghost wrote:My point being, here at least, that if we're going to call all noise music then why not just call music "noise"? There is a delineation and it may be illusionary. The greater the precision of the boundaries may lead to some new discoveries. One example one be the beginning of the "contemporary art" movement to give but one example.
Timbre and atmosphere are all in noise music. They go directly for primal expression (entailing the irony of usually being entirely electronic), bypassing the "middlemen" of melody, harmony and rhythm. There's some primitivism and naive art (although many practitioners, like an online friend of mine, are legitimate musicians too). It reminds me of the famous line in the Castle by an inept lawyer, trying to argue a case to prevent his client's house from being knocked down - "It's the vibe of the thing" :)
Yes, I remember Dad claiming that The Beatles were not music - this from a fan of Kay Kyser :lol:. At the other end of the scale, I would hear sometimes hear Stockhausen or Cage on Mum's radio, and I considered it to not be music. Then again, I was probably into Slade at the time ...Burning ghost wrote:What is fascinating to me is how these terms are "living" embodiments of current attitudes and that they morph and shift with the times. We may look back on some of these with fonder memories than others. Every generation grow up saying "That's not music!" when they hear Elvis, Captain Beefheart or Sami throat singing.
My own view is that if an artist - no matter how inept, idiotic, wicked or insane - is sincerely attempting to create art, then that is art.
If I was to guard the gate of art from any pretenders, it would not be sincere and innocent schmucks, it would be the cynical exploiters of art forms, producing factory-made, passionless and loveless product for quick turnover. While I'd like to draw the line between art and "stuff" based on intent and sincerity, strictly speaking it's all still art, even if cynical, derivative, formulaic, shallow and ugly. By the same token, cynical, derivative, formulaic, shallow and ugly humans are still accepted as human, as are the chaotic and insane.
Art expresses all of this, along with beauty, humour, warmth, inspiration, excitement, etc.