Why Does God Hate Homosexuality?

[Belinda]

[pjkeeley]

JPhillips, homosexuality has, in various times and places, been tolerated and even accepted, to use your distinction. The Ancient Greeks are famous for the extent to which their culture embraced homosexuality.

Acceptance isn't asking much; by contrast, wanting homosexuals to keep their sexuality private when heterosexuals are not expected to do the same is asking a lot. People, regardless of sexual preference, should be able to display affection in public; to expect them not to do so is, I think, worse for them than having to be disgusted is for you.

[JPhillips]

How you guys manage to twist what I said about fornication of sheep from a view that our society is headed into serious moral decline into an animal rights issue is not surprising to me. It is consisent with how you can take the 150 year old ravings of an angry man who needed a means to elevate himself above the ordinary masses and at the same time replace the superior Deity who ruled over him, as science despite credible evidence to the contrary.

[Juice]

I just don't see the point here except to attack those who do not wish to ascribe to some PC notion that homosexuality is normal. Normal in what way? That a person has a right to love whomever they choose? That a person has a right to express themselves or have the sexual expression that makes them happy? Or that any person who wishes to engage in public displays of affection do so at the expense of allowing others the right to be so offended. Personally I don't care about holding hands or a quick kiss but when I see any grown person acting like a couple of teenagers I find such displays offensive. Get a room!

I really don't care what anyone does in private so long as it doesn't harm themselves or others. What I do care about is having my right to an opinion respected. Formally I do not see any advantage to homosexuality except on a personal level.

I have a very good Scottish friend who is gay and I sort of feel sorry for him since he doesn't possess any of the stereotypical gay attributes like cooking, or cleaning, or dressing. In fact he is rather bookish, unattractive and boring. I tell him he would probably do better in the ugly woman market than the gay market. He is well to do so he is nervous about relationships, particularly since he was hospitalized by a wayward lover. He laughs and takes frequent trips to the Caribbean to get his groove on. I like having him as a friend since he needs friends, especially those who just will treat him like one of the guys, take care of him, besides he's always good for good cigars and imported beers for Sunday football, a pastime he now enjoys thanks to me, since he never liked sports. He just likes people like everyone else and while I don't agree with his lifestyle I respect him and vice versa.

No I don't agree with same sex marriage and get grossed out when I see two people of the same sex kissing and stuff and you wont see me at a gay pride parade. But if my Gay friend needs me I will be there to give him whatever support I can provide and the next person who treats him wrongly will be a dead man instead of just spending an extended stint in prison.

God does not hate anyone but people are more prone to hate and God hates hate.
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[Alun]

[Juice]

Obviously the church exercised its rights, and was well within the law. I hardly believe that the couple in question just chose a nice quiet spot that just so happened to near a church to display affection. In any case the matter is resolved, maybe in the future gay couples will be more respectful of peoples beliefs.

As I stated I believe adults should behave like adults and young people should be raised to keep to their emotions in check in public.

What anyone considers "morally permissible" is not necessarily a moral norm. Furthermore I do not consider the question of homosexuality one of morality but of basic biology. Homosexuality just doesn't fit the birds and bees concepts so definitively and factually apparent. As I stated no one cares what a person does in private as long as it is not physically detrimental to those involved.

Just this week the New York legislature struck down a same sex marriage bill. It's time to get over it and lets just get everyone to keep there sexual proclivities in the closet, straight or gay, where it belongs.
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[Alun]

[Juice]

What I meant was that the property is private and therefore the church is within its legal right. Just as much as the two people in question have a right to be offended by the actions of the church so too does the church have a right to be offended by the actions of those two people, Everyone has a right to be offended and the church obviously had a recourse for theirs. I am sure that an argument can be made for discrimination but so what its a church and Christianity does not look kindly on homosexuality, we all know that by now. But, do Christians join a church because of their stance on homosexuality? NO! They join a church to worship and pray. Christianity teaches that homosexuality is a sin and that's it if you disagree become a Buddhist, or try kissing in front of a Mosque in Iran, gay or straight.

So everyone should be equally on their guard not to do things in places where people may find what one does offensive and also have the power to take a legal position when one does.

Simple as that, apologies all around and now go on with life, as one sees fit to live it!!

If I decide to start a club for Black male heterosexual Christian conservatives and fund it privately then that means I get to set the rules. Might not be fair but its legal. So churches have rules and people should respect those rules otherwise start a church with other rules which comport to different concepts, that is also legal in this country which is what people in this country should be taught to respect.
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[pjkeeley]

[Juice]

PJ-I am a proud homophobe, but I am also respectful and tolerant. I have had two friends and an Uncle die of AIDS, not to say that heterosexuals don't also succumb, but those are my experiences. I will never try to advise anyone on matters of sex since I am still working on being a better husband and father as are all things considered a work in progress. I think we have to be honest with ourselves and decide who we are and the things we believe in.

Do I think two people, straight or gay, slobbering over eachother in public is acceptable, No! But, I will never think to take it upon myself to correct that behavior unless I have a stake in that persons life. For me seeing gay people overly affectionate is a turn off. My problem, absolutely but I deal with it personally.

Is it a prejudice, absolutely but I have a right to be prejudiced as long as I am not legally discriminatory. I believe that marriage should be defined as a union between man and woman, for better or worse, and believe that is what a society should promote and support since that is what grows and develops a society.

While it is arguable I believe that the military should have a policy of don't ask don't tell, since just as men and woman are segregated we would not want people to be segregated along lines of sexual preference.

As long as gay issues are a part of the public arena I have the right to express any opposition or consent to those public issues, publicly.

I am surprised PJ that you have a concern about the boredom of society, are we "growing spiritually"?
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[pjkeeley]

[Juice]

PJ-Everything is "personal" since we are not robots, or animals for that matter. Even when we try to be objective we have to admit that it takes a conscious effort to do so. While we have the opportunity to edit our thoughts in writing I doubt we walk in life with objective blinders on to our surroundings or our effect on others. I always try to view my interactions as an opportunity to make an impression after all who wants to be forgotten?

Glad your happy! Can't wait to read your views, bet they're not too far off from mine.
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[Softarget]

ummmm... In response to the "sex with animals" people:

gays have sex with other people, not animals. I think that should be an obvious, but important distinction.

homosexuality takes place between humans and, unless it is rape or pedophilia, it usually takes place between two consenting humans. To compare it to say, marrying a goat, is basically like saying that homosexuals themselves are somehow "inhuman." Take polygamy, for example. If you were to define it as unethical, you might ask "if a man is allowed legal marriage over 6 wives, what legal protection would they secure in such an arraingment, or would they have diminished status over their male counterpart?" you would not ask "What's next, a man marrying 6 goats?"

[Monacle]

[JPhillips]

Softarget

Yes. I concur. Sex without any meaningful, emotional attachment whatsoever, whether it is between a man and woman or two consenting homosexuals just reduces it, almost to the level of having sex with animals. My point was, just because a woman is in love with her dog does not make having sex with the dog normal. I admit this is stretching it and I apologize for the comparison. I understand sex between two rational thinking beings who love each other or even who have feelings at all for each other cannot be fairly compaired with having sex strictly for pleasure, much less to committing sodomy with animals.

While I still do not concur that homosexual sex is normal, I recognize a person's right to have a life partner that makes that person happy. Again I apologize for my insensitivity that I showed in that post. I failed to make a valid argument and recognize why it was offensive.

I still believe public display of sex is demeaning. I also believe straight people are more offended by a public display of affection between homosexuals than between heterosexuals because of some genetic or hardwired predisposition. It doesn't seem natural to me, just like trying to plug in the male end of a power cord to the male end of another power cord does not seem natural.

Having said that, I think Juice and Monacle both said it better than I did. I am tolerate of the behavior, and I suppose on a rational level you could say I accept it. However, I am not at this time able to accept it on a sub-conscious or emotional level. It is not possible for me to force myself to accept something at an emotional level that just doesn't feel right to me; nor do I feel that I have an obligation to try to do so.

One other point I would like to make; I don't believe in Darwin's theory of evolution. The fact that homosexuality has not become extinct due to natural selection and random mutations is just another critical blow to the hypothesis of Darwinism.

Again, I sincerely apologize for the insensitive, inexcubable, hurtful analogy. I will strive to be more careful as to what I say in my future arguments.