Post Number:#46 October 10th, 2010, 3:06 am
OTavern wrote:Whynot wrote:Man, observing the shere complexity of his environment, made a classic assumption...that whatever causes that complexity must be even more complex. This assumption has followed man down thru history as one form of theism or another. Sometimes it is wise to question these assumptions themselves. For instance, we observe, (and you admit), how simple chemical combinations over time, and under specific, (and often, but not always),random conditions, converge and become more complex...naturally. Thus the initial assumption that the observable complexity necessitates an even greater complexity to account for the observation loses steam in direct proportion to the amount of new data gathered to support simple-to-complex cause/effect relations. Complex > complex is not only counter-intuitive but illogical when we consider the processes themselves.
Kindly provide an example of this outside of processes of evolution since that would be begging the question at issue here.
OT, "evolution" is not a process by itself at all, it is slow stage of the Dialectical development. We just apply the term "evolution" to the changes of the living organisms on our planet, but in fact these changes develop and appear in two phases - slow phase, evolution, involves the gradual accumulation of the quantitative changes and is always followed by the fast qualitative change, called revolution.
Dialectics insists that absolutely any development process has these two phases, changing one another. As soon as revolution is over, another slow phase of evolution begins, which allows to talk about "dialectical spiral of development".
In biological evolution of our specie the revolutionary stage was, say, us losing the tail, as a new QUALITY appeared as a result. Social development goes by the same rules - and slowly building up evolutionary quantitative changes in the social system are followed by the rapid revolutionary, qualitative change of this system into the next one up. A school pupil for the long 10-12 years evolutionary increases the knowledge, and then the revolutionary stage would be passing the tests and getting a certificate of Secondary Education... In no cases of this type any higher Conscience plans the process stages, it all goes its own natural way. These processes are all around us and we witness them every day, it is just necessary to have the eyes to see