Post Number:#76 October 16th, 2010, 8:43 pm
I'm not sure what motivated such a comment, or where you draw your inspiration for the thought, but frankly, it would not be possible for me to disagree more with this statement.Belinda wrote:...without Christianity, Islamic societies may have developed into reformation and scientific enlightenment.
Presumably you've bought into the myths about the crusades being an invasion of Muslim territory by "radical" christian war mongers--or some such historical nonsense. The Crusades were a response to Muslim's conquering large portions of land by the sword. And for the most part the crusades really weren't all that successful.
It was also the Muslims who were primarily responsible for selling African slaves around the world. Yet America is condemned for buying them, while Muslims are successfully recruiting blacks to their ranks. The Pirating problem was also largely a Muslim Problem, by the way.
Without early Christian opposition to Muslim aggression, much more of the earth would be under Islamic rule.
In this modern day, Muslims use the inventions that infidels have created, they go to the schools that infidels have built... they are literally being pulled along into the modern world. For example, contrary to the myths that all suicide bombers are the poor dregs of their society, the radicals who blew up the London subway a few years back or so were DOCTORS.
Belinda wrote: I have read the Koran only partly and I must read it soon, and thoroughly.
I have not read the Bible or the Koran all the way through... but I have done some significant studying of both. One thing to keep in mind while you read the Koran is that it is a single book written by a single author. When it contains contradictory passage (much as the bible does) the Koran tells us how to deal with them. The ones written later are the ones that take precedence. This is tricky, because the Koran is often not presented in chronological order. But unbiased students of the Koran can tell you that the violent passages are the ones that were written last.
Mohommads early career was spent in more peaceful endeavors. But he didn't gain success until he became a warrior prophet and a conqueror.
Belinda wrote: I have been told that if Muslims were to read the Koran along with the history of the development of Islam they would see that the unpleasant bits of the Koran were anchored to the temporary need for Muslims to fight against infidels.
In a sense, this is true... Just as it is true that Islam is a religion of peace.
Their religion tells Muslims that they must conquer the entire earth and place it under their political jurisdiction. Only when this has been done will there be peace... so yes, they have a need to "deal with" infidels and yes, they are a religion that is striving for that Time of Peace when they rule the entire world.
Another tidbit about Islam is that, unlike Christianity, Murder and lying are only condemned when it is Muslim on Muslim... And not always even then, since you have the Honor Killings (where a father or brother kills a wife or daughter for dishonoring the family) which are culturally and religiously condoned. Muslims are encouraged to lie to the infidel. They are encouraged to act like a friend, but to hate them in their hearts.
Don't get me wrong, there are good Muslims, and there certainly are some who are truly moderates. But what you have to understand is that (1) any Muslim who is a true moderate is living under a death sentence from Muslims who are more extreme. (2) All moderate Muslims are violating the most fundamental principles of their own religion--which literally does not allow for moderate behavior.Belinda wrote:I have been told that most Muslims are 'moderate'
There are many Moderate Muslims whom I have a great deal of respect for. They are literally risking their own lives every day, just to take a stand against the radicals. But there are also many who only pretend to be moderates. CAIR pretended to be a moderate "friendship" organization while funneling millions of dollars (donated by Americans) to terrorist organizations. And there are several dozens of similar organizations with various radical goals operating around the world. The Muslim who is building the ground zero mosque claims to be a moderate, and he is often presented that way by politicians and those in the media but he has close ties to terrorists and terrorist activity.
So I say please DO learn about Islam... Find out the truth for yourself... but make sure that at least half of the information sources you rely on are either ex-Muslim or non-Muslim information and activist groups so that you get both sides of the argument and not just getting the Muslim propaganda.