Post Number:#2 November 15th, 2011, 2:05 am
Post Number:#3 November 16th, 2011, 11:27 pm
Scott wrote:Obviously, evolution greatly favors a creature who has desires to desire to stay alive--whether that desire is indirect or direct, right? Suicidal creatures and species clearly would fail the evolutionary test of time, right?
On another note, Whatdoiknow, what do you mean by the word desire? Certainly you agree that most lifeforms do not have desires in the literal, common sense of the word, right? Are you writing in regard to only the fraction of lifeforms capable of desire? Or are you using the term metaphorically?
Finally, I will answer your question with a question: Why not? Why not live a little longer? Why would a typical 50-year-old choose to die immediately rather than choose to live for the near future? What are the alleged benefits of being dead for, say, the next 20 years as opposed to being alive for 20 more years and then killing oneself or just living as long as one can?
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Post Number:#9 November 19th, 2011, 11:30 am
Belinda wrote:I don't know of any animal that wants to die
Post Number:#10 November 19th, 2011, 12:15 pm
Partinobodycular wrote:Belinda wrote:I don't know of any animal that wants to die
It has been my ultimate goal to die for forty years now. I have selected the method of my death, and a generalized location of my death. The time of my death is dependant upon completing certain duties. Once those duties are complete, which they nearly are, I will step aside and quietly fade into distant memory.
I will have completed my life to my own satisfaction. I will leave on my own terms, in my own time, and in the knowledge that I have done the best that I could. In this I could have asked no more.
I have my own version of the "Serenity Prayer". God grant me the wisdom to know when my job is done, the serenity to accept that which must inevitably come, and the courage to complete my journey with dignity and honor.
Perhaps someday all men will have the right and the serenity to choose the time and the form of their own passing. They deserve that much.
Post Number:#11 November 19th, 2011, 4:25 pm
Scott wrote:Obviously, evolution greatly favors a creature who has desires to desire to stay alive ...
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Post Number:#13 November 23rd, 2011, 6:02 pm
Lemerchand wrote:Hey guys! This is my first post on the forums. I haven't been able to scavenge through them as much as I'd like, but already I have seen a great deal of interesting threads; I only wish I had been here for them while they occurred.
As for this one, Scott actually embodied my first thought in response to the OP. Evolutionarily, anything void of the proclivity towards survival would have decreased their chances for reproduction. I also wish to echo his desire to elaborate on how (for this post) we are defining "desire" to survive. My reason here is that I think "desire to survive" does not necessarily imply a wish-for-death. In lieu of the "desire to survive", there are (I imagine) some creatures or even bacteria that are apathetic to their own existence; if a non-threatening environment surrounded them and they seek to avoid physical displeasure they would be able to reproduce. I can safely say effervescent and apathetic individuals seem to have some niche sex appeal (and therefore increased ability to generate progeny). My point here is, the conversation changes drastically if we (specifically) redefine the OP.
I think Existence was hinting at this, although far less prolix.
And finally, Groktruth, although I think this strays from the OP's intent, I am surprised that no one had much in response to your point; I think it is an awesome extension, and assuredly is a more contemporary issue. With stem cells, trans-humanistic features being researched and implemented, and the rate of technological/medical progression, there are a great deal of issues raised about consciousness, morality, authenticity, and as I think you were poking at, a sense of when it is time to kick the bucket. So I ask, how does one know when it is time to go? Is it merely an arbitrary choice? Is it due to a sense of fulfillment, or curiosity? What is the moral or virtuous criteria on which to base that?
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