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Is there any such thing as a Genius?

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Is there any such thing as a Genius?

Post Number:#1  PostMarch 1st, 2012, 12:30 pm

Is there any such thing as a Genius?
Genius
1.
an exceptional natural capacity of intellect, especially as shown in creative and original work in science, art, music, etc.: the genius of Mozart.
2.
a person having such capacity.
3.
a person having an extraordinarily high intelligence rating on a psychological test, as an IQ above 140.
4.
natural ability or capacity; strong inclination: a special genius for leadership.
5.
distinctive character or spirit, as of a nation, period, or language.

I’ve had many discussions with friends about whether geniuses exist or not. I believe that since all people are technically the same. What makes one person a genius and another person the not? I personally believe we all have the capability to be classified as a genius, but this classification is made by the majority and the majority can often get things wrong and this is why some “geniuses” are not accepted as such until long after their deaths when a discovery is made to prove them right. What I think a genius actually is, is just an individual who thinks different then everyone else.
The first definition above can also be described by these definitions of individual; a. A single human considered apart from a society or community.b. A human regarded as a unique personality.

The second definition “a person having such capacity” bothers me because unless we have a mental illness we all have an equal capacity for information.

The third definition about IQ tests I don’t regard as a true way of discerning because how many so called geniuses would have performed poorly on it? Surely there is a genius who would have scored poorly if they had taken the test.

The fourth definition does not adhere because we all have a natural ability or capacity to excel in certain things.

The fifth definition is the only one I can agree with but it can be swapped out for the definition of an individual.

If we all have the capacity to think different and be true individuals we all have the ability to become Geniuses. If all of us are capable of being individuals then the only difference is who chooses to be an individual and who chooses to remain a part of the majority.
Do you agree, disagree? What is your take on genius?

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Re: Is there any such thing as a Genius?

Post Number:#2  PostMarch 1st, 2012, 1:05 pm

You should read up on neurology, seems you have doged that bullet for too long.

Now I better understand why anything I say escapes you.
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Post Number:#3  PostMarch 1st, 2012, 4:45 pm

HexHammer wrote:You should read up on neurology, seems you have doged that bullet for too long.

Now I better understand why anything I say escapes you.


If their brains are different then they aren't the same as you and I, perhaps another species by your definition. Your words are often too vague to make sence to me.

“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.” Said a great individual.
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Post Number:#4  PostMarch 1st, 2012, 4:49 pm

What excatly in "You should read up on neurology" is too hard to understand?
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Post Number:#5  PostMarch 1st, 2012, 5:03 pm

What part of "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough," do you not understand?
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Post Number:#6  PostMarch 1st, 2012, 5:30 pm

dparrott wrote:What part of "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough," do you not understand?
1) it takes that I would actually explain an aspect of neurology to you, which I don't feel like, because then I should explain everything in very long posts to each and everyone here on the forum, which would get me excatly nowhere, which suggest you don't understand psychology either.
2) since you don't even know the very basics of it, it would be much better for you to study it youself.
3) if I explained it to you, there would always be a small decay of information, where I might get a few things wrong, therefore again it's better for you to read it youself, then we can discuss it.
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Post Number:#7  PostMarch 1st, 2012, 5:50 pm

HexHammer wrote:
dparrott wrote:What part of "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough," do you not understand?
1) it takes that I would actually explain an aspect of neurology to you, which I don't feel like, because then I should explain everything in very long posts to each and everyone here on the forum, which would get me excatly nowhere, which suggest you don't understand psychology either.
2) since you don't even know the very basics of it, it would be much better for you to study it youself.
3) if I explained it to you, there would always be a small decay of information, where I might get a few things wrong, therefore again it's better for you to read it youself, then we can discuss it.



Read up same conclusion. Here is what I read.

http://www.dana.org/news/cerebrum/detail.aspx?id=3032
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Post Number:#8  PostMarch 2nd, 2012, 2:48 pm

This is the key assumption in your whole argument. Care to unpack it a little?

"I believe that [...] all people are technically the same."
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Post Number:#9  PostMarch 2nd, 2012, 3:04 pm

Invictus_88 wrote:This is the key assumption in your whole argument. Care to unpack it a little?

"I believe that [...] all people are technically the same."


We are all made of vibrating atoms to put it most simply. We are all homosapien. A so called Genius, you, and I all have the same brain structure that when studied all appear normal. The genius just thinks differently and so does the individual, so in my opinion the genius is really just an individual that society exalts as Great when they are only different.
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Re: Is there any such thing as a Genius?

Post Number:#10  PostMarch 2nd, 2012, 3:39 pm

dparrott wrote:We are all made of vibrating atoms to put it most simply. We are all homosapien. A so called Genius, you, and I all have the same brain structure that when studied all appear normal. The genius just thinks differently and so does the individual, so in my opinion the genius is really just an individual that society exalts as Great when they are only different.
That's something some random rainforest dweller may say, sorely ignorent of basic science, now please, I must insist that you read up on neurology, it's a huge science that one such as you sorely needs!
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Post Number:#11  PostMarch 2nd, 2012, 3:49 pm

Everyone I look UP to is a genius; everyone I look DOWN on is a moron! and everyone in between is neutral! and I'm not naming names!!
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Post Number:#12  PostMarch 2nd, 2012, 4:07 pm

HexHammer wrote:
dparrott wrote:We are all made of vibrating atoms to put it most simply. We are all homosapien. A so called Genius, you, and I all have the same brain structure that when studied all appear normal. The genius just thinks differently and so does the individual, so in my opinion the genius is really just an individual that society exalts as Great when they are only different.
That's something some random rainforest dweller may say, sorely ignorent of basic science, now please, I must insist that you read up on neurology, it's a huge science that one such as you sorely needs!


It's funny you say that when I was young I wanted to live in the rainforest. I still havn't gotten down there yet but I will some time in the future. If we are not made of vibrating atoms and we are not homosapien then provide some proof. If your so in love with science then I suggest a science forum this is philosophy. I read up on neurology apperently you haven't, what I read I posted and expert neurologists cannot find any conclusive evidence to suggest that Einstien's brain is any diffrent from ours. Are you a neurologist or someone who just admires the field of study?
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Post Number:#13  PostMarch 2nd, 2012, 4:30 pm

dparrott wrote:It's funny you say that when I was young I wanted to live in the rainforest. I still havn't gotten down there yet but I will some time in the future. If we are not made of vibrating atoms and we are not homosapien then provide some proof. If your so in love with science then I suggest a science forum this is philosophy. I read up on neurology apperently you haven't, what I read I posted and expert neurologists cannot find any conclusive evidence to suggest that Einstien's brain is any diffrent from ours. Are you a neurologist or someone who just admires the field of study?
Philosophy without a bit of science these days, becomes nonsens and babble.
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Post Number:#14  PostMarch 2nd, 2012, 9:26 pm

HexHammer wrote:
dparrott wrote:It's funny you say that when I was young I wanted to live in the rainforest. I still havn't gotten down there yet but I will some time in the future. If we are not made of vibrating atoms and we are not homosapien then provide some proof. If your so in love with science then I suggest a science forum this is philosophy. I read up on neurology apperently you haven't, what I read I posted and expert neurologists cannot find any conclusive evidence to suggest that Einstien's brain is any diffrent from ours. Are you a neurologist or someone who just admires the field of study?
Philosophy without a bit of science these days, becomes nonsens and babble.


Well it seems you overstated yourself once agian Hexhammer.
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Post Number:#15  PostMarch 3rd, 2012, 6:12 am

dparrott wrote:
Invictus_88 wrote:This is the key assumption in your whole argument. Care to unpack it a little?

"I believe that [...] all people are technically the same."


We are all made of vibrating atoms to put it most simply. We are all homosapien. A so called Genius, you, and I all have the same brain structure that when studied all appear normal. The genius just thinks differently and so does the individual, so in my opinion the genius is really just an individual that society exalts as Great when they are only different.


'We are all made of atoms', ergo "all people are technically the same".

Are you serious? That's nuts.

Everything is made of atoms. Are you the same as a dildo? Am I the same as an aubergine? Are we the same as the planet Mars?

I mean, really!?

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